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Just got off the phone with Travis at Rennbay, and he claims that these are quality pumps.

http://www.rennbay.com/cooling-water-pump-kit-porsche-944-all-new-p-149.html

I remember reading about "Lasco" pumps being junk in the search but I could not find anything that discerned there being a difference between Laso and Lasco. Can anyone give me more information about this?

Also, can anyone tell me they have used Laso WPs?

Thank you.

The WP is my last bottleneck before I make a one-fell-swoop purchase on the FOES and getting my car back on the road for the summer

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1987 Porsche 924S Black/Black. 5-spd.
Options: AFX C79 261 398 423 650 651 657

1987 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth Pearl Black/Black. 5-spd.

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[gohim]

I been stuck with a couple of those waterpumps by unscrupulous Sellers.

Having inspected several, both the ones that I bought (when I was told I was getting Genuine Porsche waterpumps), and while visiting Sellers, I can tell you that all of the ones that I have seen are inferior to the Genuine Product, and I would not install one in my car, or anybody else's.

Poor/low quality bearings. Very loose, you can grab the pulley, and move it sideways an alarming distance.

Poor quality castings. large visible defects, like holes in the castings, and incomplete castings, especially noticable on hose sealing surfaces.

Poor quality machining/finishing. Sharp edges, poor surface machine finish, dents and dings on gasket sealing surfaces.

The proof of the low quality is the lack of any warranty.

Buy a Genuine New Porsche waterpump or a Genuine Porsche Rebuilt waterpump. If you insist on buying a waterpump rebuilt by an aftermarket company, make sure that you will at least get a warranty on the waterpump for a decent amount of time (two years would be good). No Aftermarket Company offers the two year umlimited mileage, parts and labor warranty that Porsche includes with Genuine New or Rebuilt waterpumps.

There are Authorized Porsche Dealers who will discount from List Price, or will sell at a percentage above Dealer Cost, and some Aftermarket Sellers who are Authorized to sell Genuine Porsche Parts, who buy them directly from PCNA (Porsche Cars Nother America). I am not sure what warranty is included on the Genuine Parts from Authorized Aftermarket Sellers, who would need to inquire (get it in writing) with the Seller you are considering buying from.

''LASO" and "LASCO" are difference spellings (one's in error) for the same company, and the same part.

I know that it's tempting to buy an aftermarket waterpump, because the price difference can be significant. BUT, the Genuine waterpump is so much higher quality, that the poor quality aftermarket parts are not worth considering IMHO. Many Sellers are pricing the inferior aftermarket waterpumps at just below the price of a Genuine waterpump ($50-$100 less). Hardly worth the risk.

[bcblase]

x2 - listen to Gohim - he is your conscience speaking to you (i.e. little white angel speaking to you in your right ear).

If you want to listen to the little red devil guy on your left shoulder, call Jason at Paragon Products and check the warantee on this new OEM water pump:

http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/pp944.106.021.22.htm

BC
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1987 Porsche 924S - track toy
1986 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16v - autocross
2007 F-150 5.4L Lariat Supercrew - tow beast
1994 Volvo 850 Race Wagon - 24 Hours of Lemons Car
2001 BMW 325xi - daily driver

[gohim]

Not sure who made the Paragon waterpump, but it definitely was not made by the Porsche OEM Supplier.

At the $337 price listed, you might as well look for a Genuine Porsche waterpump.

[dash16]

so I went to the porsche dealership today to talk about the genuine pump warranty. I was told that the warranty does not cover subsequent damage, and must be installed by a dealer for the warranty to take effect.

The subsequent damage meaning that if the pump fails and the valves slap as a result, then too bad.

What do you guys think?
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1987 Porsche 924S Black/Black. 5-spd.
Options: AFX C79 261 398 423 650 651 657

1987 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth Pearl Black/Black. 5-spd.

STUTTGART PREVAILS

[gohim]

You asked the guys in the Service Department didn't you?

Are you saying that the person/people you talked to at the Independently Owned and Operated Authorized Porsche Dealership told you that parts purchased from an Authorized Porsche Dealer that came from PCNA (Porsche Cars North America) do not come with any warranty unless installed by an Authorized Porsche Dealer?

I don't think so.

You should check to make sure that ANY PARTS YOU BUY FROM ANY PORSCHE DEALERSHIP came from Porsche AG, and include the Two Year Unlimited Mileage Warranty from Porsche AG. PCNA ages the parts and the warranty on Genuine Porsche Parts from the day that the parts leave Porsche's Warehouse and are shipped to the Authorized Porsche Dealer's Parts Department, to encourage prompt parts inventory turnover. The Dealer gets about one year to sell the part/s, during which time the Buyer gets the Full Two Year Warranty from Porsche. After the period ends, when the the Porsche Dealer sells the part/s to a Buyer, the Dealer becomes responsible for the Warranty on the part/s. Because of this, MANY DEALERS elected to dump parts that have gone past the stale date at swapmeets or as surplus, AS-IS, NO-WARRANTY, as they are not willing to accept the risk of warranty responsibility.

Many Authorized Porsche Dealerships also choose to increase their profit on parts by buying parts from other than PCNA. Those parts also do not carry the PCNA/Porsche AG Two Year Warranty. People ASSUME that because they bought the part/s at a Porsche Dealership they are getting Porsche Parts, with the PCNA Warranty, WRONG ! ! ! There have been cases reported on this site from people who purchased parts from an Authorized Porsche Dealer who were denied PCNA Warranty coverage when the part/s failed because it turned out that the parts purchased from the Porsche Dealer DID NOT COME FROM PCNA.

As has been written many times before on this website and others, in the case when a/some Genuine Porsche Parts have failed under Warranty, and there has been some collateral damage, PCNA and Porsche AG decide whether they will QUIETLY COVER the additional parts and labor cost to repair. YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY WRITTEN POLICY COVERING THIS SECRET WARRANTY. This POLICY has always been based on a teardown at an Authorized Porsche Dealership. If the failure was caused by improper assembly by Non-Porsche Personnel, or failure of a Non-Genuine Part, or failure of an out-of-warranty Porsche Part/s, Porsche does not pay, and the car owner becomes responsible for the cost of the labor to teardown (and reassemble if he/she choses).

This is why it is VERY IMPORTANT to weigh the risks of buying Non-Genuine Parts. Installing a Genuine Porsche Balanceshaft Belt and/or Timing Belt does not protect you from a Non-Genuine pulley or roller or waterpump failure, or if an Out-Of-Warranty Genuine Porsche Part fails.

Do you think maybe that Independently Owned and Operated Porsche Dealership may have been trying to scare up some business?

Then there is the question of what happens if you take your car to the Authorized Porsche Dealer to have the FOES done, and while you get an Invoice with Porsche Part Numbers when you pay for the repair, what if the Porsche Dealer Parts Department bought the FOES parts used in the Service from someone like ZIMMS or EBS to improve their profit on the part sale? How will you know if you got Genuine Parts, and real warranty coverage?

Unfortunately, I think it's come to the point where, when you get parts from the Porsche Dealer, you need to insist that the Dealer order new/fresh parts for you from PCNA, and that you receive the parts in the packaging PCNA sent them to the Dealer in, with the PCNA Inventory Pick Labels intact, so you can see that the parts are Genuine, and combined with your Porsche Dealer Invoice, show that the parts you are getting have the Genuine Parts Warranty from PCNA/Porsche AG.

Why not check with the PCNA (the American Subsidiary of Porsche AG (Germany)) directly? You can reach them through the Website. The Official Warranty Terms for Parts Sales can also be read directly on the site.

[Paul]

+1 plus I would add that once you get to know your local Porsche Dealer's parts guy and become a regular customer, you can obtain some pretty competitive pricing.
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Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
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[Rasta Monsta]

Gohim's parts warranty essay should be a sticky. Important info that seems to come up repeatedly.
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