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MikesCoupeGT  



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:53 am    Post subject: Fuel pick up Reply with quote

At the end of last season I noticed that when the car was between 1/2 and empty, call it about 3/8ths and below in the gas tank, I would get a fuel starvation coming out of the the corners. The car would stumble. I still need to pull the tank and get the top quarter fixed to stop it from leaking, but I want to know if there is a way to correct this with a Fuel injector cleaner or something?

Any response is good. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a fuel injector problem. The right side of the tank (looking from the rear of the car) is much deeper than the left side. The fuel pickup is on the bottom right side of the tank. When you are in a high speed right hand turn with minimal fuel on board, the fuel sloshes to the left side of the tank and away from the pickup. Shortly, you have pump cavitation and loss of fuel pressure to the injectors until you straighten out and the fuel sloshed back down to the pick up.
On my race car I've found that by starting a 45 mile race with at least 3/4 tank of fuel it doesn't cavitate. One half tank is iffy and it might starve a bit on the last couple laps.
There is no way to baffle the stock tank for this fuel slosh. I'm thinking of replacing the stock tank with a fuel cell.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, the late plastic tanks don't seem to suffer from this. . .I can run my race car near dry with no sputtering, and we have a semi long third gear right hand complex at Portland.
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924RACR  



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have no problems running the #77 down to 3/8-1/4 tank. I won't risk it below that.

I'd be investigating your pickup, removing and making sure it's clean... maybe also review your plumbing from that to the pump...

Oh, I suppose one additional thing is, are you sure your gauges read properly? Full when full, empty when empty?
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MikesCoupeGT  



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all the replies.

I would go the plastic tank route if I was going to continue to track the car. This may be its last year for Watkins Glen, if I cannot source a good Fuel pump at a good price for the 944.

Otherwise to answer the questions. Sometimes the fuel gauge is sketchy below 1/2 tank in its reading, but if I am just cruising then I don't have the pickup issue.

If getting to the in tank pickup was somewhat easy i would be looking and cleaning that as well. I probably will look into it soon. I have to lift the car up anyway to replace the brake master cyl with the one I rebuilt which means a bleed of all the brakes. That might be the best time to do that.

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