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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: 924 turbo TPS vs 924 na TPS Reply with quote

just a simple question, is there a difference between a 924 and a 931 (82 model) TPS ? as i have a 931, and after reading something on the net it seams that the previous owner could have gotten a replacement 924 TPS ,possibly by mistake?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC the 931 came equipped with CIS, so it' wont have a true TPS (throttle position sensor, i.e. a potentiometer that varies the resistance based on the throttle). The 931 S2 had a few microswitches (3 IIRC) that the DITC used to determine that the trottle is open at a particular angle. I am unsure as to the interchangeability of these switches, my gut feeling is that so long as they open and close at the correct angles they should work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does clear it up, mine should work fine then

Thanks a lot! appreciate the info!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juha_teuvonnen wrote:
IIRC the 931 came equipped with CIS, so it' wont have a true TPS (throttle position sensor, i.e. a potentiometer that varies the resistance based on the throttle). The 931 S2 had a few microswitches (3 IIRC) that the DITC used to determine that the trottle is open at a particular angle. I am unsure as to the interchangeability of these switches, my gut feeling is that so long as they open and close at the correct angles they should work.


Not quite right. The 1981-82 931 has a round throttle body and a single TPS-style switch, but all it does is WOT enrichment signal to the DITC, so I suppose one could say it's not a "true" TPS, although it is in the most rudimentary sense.

By contrast, the 1979-1980 931 uses the same ovoid throttle body as the NA, and consequently uses the same throttle switches (i.e. NOT a TPS) as the same-era NAs.

So to answer the question in the OP, it is highly unlikely that there was some sort of mixup from NA to 931 in your particular case because the TPS on your car is unique to the 1981-82 model, and not shared on ANY of the NA models.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, is your throttle body oval or round? I assumed that someone downgraded your s2 throttle body (round) to s1 (oval), because there's no way to use the NA switches with 931 S2 round throttle body that I can think of.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juha_teuvonnen wrote:
downgraded your s2 throttle body (round) to s1 (oval)


A near impossibility on a DITC equipped car, because it would involve replacing the entire intake manifold, the upper charge tube, the charge tube to throttle body boot, and ripping out the DITC ignition wiring and replacing with S1 ignition. Very, very unlikely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
juha_teuvonnen wrote:
downgraded your s2 throttle body (round) to s1 (oval)


A near impossibility on a DITC equipped car, because it would involve replacing the entire intake manifold, the upper charge tube, the charge tube to throttle body boot, and ripping out the DITC ignition wiring and replacing with S1 ignition. Very, very unlikely.


I've seen a car like that once. None of this is rocket science, if you have an S1 parts car. The guy who built it had a hard time finding DITC and other S2 parts, but he had access to an S1 parts car. But then, he did not stop there, the car had many more modifications including MSD ignition, a hybrid liquid cooled turbo and suspension and brakes from 951. In retrospect, I should have bought that car, when I had the chance.

With the last 931s made turning 30 years old, I would not rule out any modifications, however crazy. At this day and age I would not be surprised if someone swapped the complete engine...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I realize the S2-to-S1 conversion isn't impossible -- and I agree, it's not rocket science -- the reality is that most modifications made are hack jobs because the PO doesn't have the time, inclination or common sense to do the job properly. Properly executed retrogrades like you describe are extremely rare.

The S2-to-S1 conversion is one I have never personally witnessed on a running car or otherwise...which is something of a statement considering the number of 931s I've worked on, sold, and parted out. Also, considering the OP is in South Africa, where 931's are relatively scarce, I find it hard to believe someone would have gone to that trouble...finding all of the correct parts locally would be quite a challenge.

It's probably much more likely that a previous owner got a replacement TPS from a 924S (2.5L motor), which uses the same round throttle body casting as the S2 931, and has a very similar (but different) TPS.

Suppliers who don't specialize in the 924 very frequently make these kinds of mistakes, so it would not be surprising at all if the PO called up a local South African auto parts store, asked for a TPS, and got one for the 2.5L motor.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
While I realize the S2-to-S1 conversion isn't impossible -- and I agree, it's not rocket science -- the reality is that most modifications made are hack jobs because the PO doesn't have the time, inclination or common sense to do the job properly. Properly executed retrogrades like you describe are extremely rare.

The S2-to-S1 conversion is one I have never personally witnessed on a running car or otherwise...which is something of a statement considering the number of 931s I've worked on, sold, and parted out. Also, considering the OP is in South Africa, where 931's are relatively scarce, I find it hard to believe someone would have gone to that trouble...finding all of the correct parts locally would be quite a challenge.

It's probably much more likely that a previous owner got a replacement TPS from a 924S (2.5L motor), which uses the same round throttle body casting as the S2 931, and has a very similar (but different) TPS.

Suppliers who don't specialize in the 924 very frequently make these kinds of mistakes, so it would not be surprising at all if the PO called up a local South African auto parts store, asked for a TPS, and got one for the 2.5L motor.


I think that you are right. I agree that the scenario that you are describing is a lot more likely than the one I came up with. In any event, if the OP could share the part number on the TPS, we'd know for sure.
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