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Anyone try Pertronix?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Anyone try Pertronix? Reply with quote

I was surfing the How-To section when I came across this thread - http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=27873

It's kind of an old one so I don't really want to dig it up from the dead. I'm currently fighting with ignition system gremlins and after looking through the near-useless Haynes manual about 500 times and seeing how convoluted my ignition system is (im a 81 turbo), this Pertronix ignition system struck me as interesting.

Here's a link to the 'kit' I found - http://www.jegs.com/i/Pertronix/751/1847V/10002/-1?parentProductId=746414 . How could an ignition system consist of a dizzy, coil, this kit, and an 'ignitor'? And if that is the case, why is the Bosch system so complicated? Has anyone else had any luck with these?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could probably get it to work, but on an 81, it would be a downgrade because you would lose the DITC function. You would be better off (IMHO) upgrading to a DIS system, either a stand-alone like Electromotive, or a MegaSquirt-based system that could be setup initially for ignition, and upgraded later for full EFI.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
You could probably get it to work, but on an 81, it would be a downgrade because you would lose the DITC function. You would be better off (IMHO) upgrading to a DIS system, either a stand-alone like Electromotive, or a MegaSquirt-based system that could be setup initially for ignition, and upgraded later for full EFI.


Yeah I was just watching videos on Youtube about these systems and it doesn't sound like the right application for my particular engine. On the other hand, I wouldn't really be losing any functions by switching to this because my current ignition system doesn't currently work

Switching to Megasquirt ignition is an option in the distant future but for now, it's off the table. I just need the spark plugs to fire
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could downgrade to an S1 ignition setup. You would have to figure out some wiring though. I might have a spare CD box and distributor in my parts bin...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DITC is not consisting of so many parts, have you tried fixing the problem? What is the problem?

Try fixing it first, I converted my 80 car to a 81engine with DITC, hell lots of cables (they dont have much in common) but the DITC works flawless. Rock solid idle and works great at all temperatures.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cédric wrote:
The DITC is not consisting of so many parts, have you tried fixing the problem? What is the problem?


It would appear that something is not telling the ignition coil to push voltage to the dizzy. The coil gets 12v and when the car is being cranked, the coil wire still only has 12v. It's as if the ignition controller is not powered or something. Which is bizarre because it worked 2 months ago and now it suddenly doesn't work. Nothing has changed with it, it just suddenly stopped working.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible the crank sensor has gone kaput, which would be bad news, as they are unobtanium even used. Also, the 931 FSM is woefully lacking on any diagnostic information to determine if the sensor is any good.

Double check the pins and the connections at the ignitor, as well as at the big plug on the DITC box itself. I was having tons of problems when I first got GEBLASN (1981 US spec) until I cleaned the terminals at both of these connections (male and female ends both), and it really took care of the problem entirely when I disassembled the big end of the DITC fat connector and gently filed and crimped the female connectors so that they gripped the pins better on the box. I also put two really big fat rubber bands around the connector and box to help keep the connector from jiggling off. My son has been using it as a daily driver and has not had a single problem related to DITC since I did this (well over two years now).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having not seen one or worked on one, this is a quick note back to one of the replies, if the sensor is hall effect (magnet passing by a coil) or if it is inductive pick-up (where a transformer thas one coil with a current passing through it and then the other coil giving out a small voltage change as the magnetic permiability changes when a piece of metal passes), you should be able to monitor this using an osilloscope, the pulse will be small, not there for long and it wont be there when things are not moving passed each other (i.e you must be cranking the engine), but you should be able to pick them up well enough to say there is an output and stop any lack of confidance in the sensor. Any good T.V. repair guy would be able to help you out here if you don't have an osilloscope.They will proabably be more up to speed in this sort of measuring than most auto electricians. Hope this helps.
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