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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Interesting weight data for the collective.... Reply with quote

Stock 924 na flywheel? 20lbs

Lightened 924 na flywheel? 17lbs

Stock 924 na trailing arm (loaded with drum brake parts)? 42lbs

86 944 na aluminum trailing arm (loaded with disc brake parts)? 46lbs

All measured by my bathroom scale, so accuracy is not guaranteed.

I forgot to measure the weight difference between the 23mm and 28mm torsion bars, but they were significant.

I'll try to see if there is a noticeable weight difference between the loaded axles (with CV joints and grease, etc).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's funny, I thought those Al arms felt heavier.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They certainly did when one fell off the bench and landed on my foot!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes. . ."nothing ever fell off the floor". . .


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but trying assemble one of these on the floor would result in much longer lasting pain than a simple bruised foot/ego
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scrapped all the insulation off the inside of the car Weight diff ???4lbs
changed out the front and rear bumpers and shocks to euro bumpers and metal pieces difference about 50 lbs
Race seats would save a lot of weight.
I don't remember the weight of the horsehair pad in the trunk and the rear seat combo. I know I listed them all here in the past.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the car has no front bumper, just the CGT nose. I actually should fix that somehow. Might just have to mock something up for safety's sake.

Most of the sound deadening is gone and the carpets are long gone.

No rear seat

Race seats, bolted directly to the stock mounting points.

Fiberglass nose, hood, front and rear quarters with a stock rear bumper.

Next step is to build a lighter sunroof panel and add lexan rear windows.

Still street legal though, just not street comfortable
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be interesting to know the individual weights of the steel Vs ally arms, including the different stub axles and drive shafts required. Basically so we know the TOTAL weight difference between a steel arm 5 lug disc set up and an ally one. Don`t believe there would be much overall difference really.

Has anyone got any figures or some parts and bathroom scales to contribute to this thread?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember dont ever let them see you sweat..
Sound deadening and light weight seats really knock off a chunk of weight.. Getting a rear lexan hatch would would be the tits. for weight savings.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ic932"]nice comparison between the various 944 model years....

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86' 944 top, 88 944S left, 90 944S2 right.

86 944 15.4kgs
88 944S 16.7kgs
90 944S2 15.3kgs

Anyone got a 924NA assembly to compare weights?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the 944 caliper and rotor weight 15,4kg I come to the conclusion that the alu traling arm is 5,5kg. (46 lbs=20,9kg)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some parts like starter etc weigthed, can take a look at the list I have in the garage. Most recent is the flywheel on the s2 engine, according to the scales its about 5kg, 11lbs. Is there any lighter OEM flywheel ? But the pressure plate isnt as light .

cookie cutter 7x15 wheel is 6.9kg, 15.2lbs. 16kg (if i remeber correct)including toyo r888 205/50 15.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ALU trailing arms are MUCH lighter than the 5x130 steel trailing arms.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The all-alu pressure plate is 3,1kg incl throwout bearing compared with stock at 6,3kg. Remember that this is weight distributed at least 100mm from the center, a major improvement since the stored energy is weight*radius^2!
Iīve got a billet S2 flywheel and it is 5,5kg and I canīt figure out why. The exact same dimensions and it has been machined to be lighter with holes. I was advised not to take of more material.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morghen wrote:
the ALU trailing arms are MUCH lighter than the 5x130 steel trailing arms.


That is what everybody is telling, but how much?

I am guessing that a rear disc is 6kg, the caliper 5 kg and the hub 4kg, a total of approx 15kg. Add the alu arm of 5,5kg and you got 21kg.

The steel arm-drum combo doesnīt have the heavy disc and caliper saving 11kg. No idea what the drum weight, guessing 5kg. Add the hub at 4kg. That would mean that the steel arm is rather heavy at 10kg if the total is 19kg.

Does it make sense? Twice as heavy - twice as strong?
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