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931Owner

Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 352 Location: Chicago NW Suburbs
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: S2 engine with S1 Turbo |
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Ok... it looks as if the S1 turbo is in better condition than the S2 turbo.
What issues might I come across if I decide to go with the higher compression S2 engine and the larger S1 turbo? _________________ 1980 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Boost will come on later, and due to the larger turbine should produce ~7.5PSI at full boost. With DITC, this should be of fairly minimal concern, but you would be well-advised to run the highest octane fuel you can purchase (if you're not already). The Euro cars ran ~10PSI, so you should be safe at 7.5PSI. But the car will probably feel a bit different as the boost will come on later and will probably feel even a bit more non-linear to you as compared to the S2. But you'll also (theoretically) have a bit more power on the top end. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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gegge

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1124 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Cédric is running just that combination and he is VERY happy with it.
Just make sure that it is the larger K2664 and not the smaller K2470, and keep the smaller S2 turbinehousing. _________________ Carl Fredrik Torkildsen
924 turbo -81 Carrera GT RESTOMOD
924 turbo -80 Dolomite De Luxe
924 -85 DP kit, BBS RS, M030 and tuned engine
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2818 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: |
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As gegge said i´m running the turbo that gegge writes about for the same reason as you. Nice uppgrade, it runs with a s1 spring, 0.7 bar. Boost comes on much later, couple of hundred rpms later, but the mid range/top end is much more punchier. Makes the s2 engine much more fun, swap it !
I run with vpower 99 okt for safety reasons but it runs as fine with 98 oct.
Swap it now, it will be a joy !  _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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931Owner

Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 352 Location: Chicago NW Suburbs
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys! S1 turbo it is...
So are you running the S1 oval or the S2 circular intakes? _________________ 1980 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I have the S2 intake tract on mine. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2818 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| 931Owner wrote: | Thanks guys! S1 turbo it is...
So are you running the S1 oval or the S2 circular intakes? |
Besides the turbo the rest is s2 (besides from the car:) ) _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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931Owner

Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 352 Location: Chicago NW Suburbs
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Cédric wrote: | | 931Owner wrote: | Thanks guys! S1 turbo it is...
So are you running the S1 oval or the S2 circular intakes? |
Besides the turbo the rest is s2 (besides from the car:) ) |
Correct.
The car is S1.
I got a complete S2 engine with turbo.
The S1 turbo is in better condition than the S2 turbo.
So I am installing the S2 engine however I wasn't sure if I should use the S1 or S2 intake. _________________ 1980 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Use the S2 intake, by all means. The 941 is an S2 lump but with S1 turbo, CIS, and ignition. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2818 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| 931Owner wrote: | | Cédric wrote: | | 931Owner wrote: | Thanks guys! S1 turbo it is...
So are you running the S1 oval or the S2 circular intakes? |
Besides the turbo the rest is s2 (besides from the car:) ) |
Correct.
The car is S1.
I got a complete S2 engine with turbo.
The S1 turbo is in better condition than the S2 turbo.
So I am installing the S2 engine however I wasn't sure if I should use the S1 or S2 intake. |
Ooo, think twice before you going that route (s1 car with s2 engine), it takes a bit of work to incorporate the two wire harnesses in a neat way. I was lucky to get all the harness with the s2 engine which made things a lot easier. But I did id and it works nice! Lots of work though. If you get into any trouble just ask, i have a bunch of pics from the conversion.. _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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If he retains the S1 ignition, the only wiring modification required that I can think of at the moment is at the TPS. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2818 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | If he retains the S1 ignition, the only wiring modification required that I can think of at the moment is at the TPS. |
That would be easy but could give some problems, but maybe it works with low boost us spec. _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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Grenadiers
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 3222 Location: Nelson, WI & Prescott, AZ
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:42 am Post subject: |
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' but maybe it works with low boost us spec'
Insulting.
Just kidding though~! I did the whole S1 intake drop to the S2 when I fitted the CGT TMIC jobby, a couple wires, and they match, and works great. I had to skip the SII throttle cam and reuse the SI version, for reasons I forgot, but it works too! Oh, I recall that the throttle cable length was wrong. Had to reuse the throttle cable 'stop' from the SI as well, I think. grrr, middle-age. _________________ '83 944 Track car.
'88 924S Track car.
'89 944 Turbo
2004 Winnebago Vectra monster RV
2012 Jeep Wrangler
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931Owner

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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Ah... what is a TPS? _________________ 1980 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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TPS = Throttle Position Switch. The S1 has dual microswitches, the S2 has a single multi-pin TPS. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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