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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: CIS to EFI research links needed Reply with quote

I've bee researching V8 conversions and know about all I need to know about doing that route, but I thought I should also consider EFI conversions since my stock engine isn't really in that bad of condition. Problem is, I haven't done much research on EFI conversions in general, so that will be a learning curve in researching and then doing... I need some links from those who have done the conversion before if anyone has any conversions documented online. Comments on what you've learned and what you would have done differently will also be appreciated. Which brands/etc of parts/kits would also be helpful.

The physical parts of rails/injectors/etc are easy (for me at least). I need the electronics parts and ignition options though. If I can keep the stock distributor I would be happy.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_articles/tech_articles.htm

http://www.msefi.com/index.php
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rocco R16V wrote:
http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_articles/tech_articles.htm

http://www.msefi.com/index.php


Does anyone sell it "kitted" towards the 924/931???
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnoon wrote:
Does anyone sell it "kitted" towards the 924/931???

Not yet, but working on it.

Other related reading:
931 & Boosted 924 EFI List and Discussion Thread
Fuel, Ignition & Engine Management
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: CIS to EFI research links needed Reply with quote

NO.

You`re an optimist, I can tell.

bnoon wrote:
Problem is, I haven't done much research on EFI conversions in general


bnoon wrote:
Problem is, I haven't done much research on EFI conversions in general


bnoon wrote:
Problem is, I haven't done much research on EFI conversions in general


Start reading Ideola`s performance mods sticky then learn to use "search". Read the megamanual from start to finish and if you still want more THEN ask here.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: CIS to EFI research links needed Reply with quote

RC wrote:
Start reading Ideola`s performance mods sticky then learn to use "search". Read the megamanual from start to finish and if you still want more THEN ask here.


Been there, done that, and then did ask. Sorry to waste the time you spent wasting mine telling me to do things I've already done. You're a search nazzi, I can tell.

I did Google search for Porsche CIS to EFI and found several results, all geared toward 911 installs. Thanks for the other links guys.

Dan, any word on when you'll have the rest of the stuff kitted out? I saw your fuel rail, but I don't really need to have that part done for me. I need the electronics and possibly a trigger wheel if someone has one that's bolt on for a decent price.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnoon, I can elaborate more here, but I am on my way into work soon.

I believe the hardest part about the physical parts collecting is the mounting and use of a trigger wheel. Next would be the fuel rail. Many of us had the luxury of using the Endwrench fuel rail that is NLA. I believe some of the 420a Neon rails are close.

Those are the two more challenging parts to source.

For a FPR, I went with the MSD-2222 (summitracing) $80. It is boost sensitive. There are other adjustable rising rate FPR as well but some are a bit more pricey.


I believe you can keep the stock distributor - I never did any research into that because of (i believe) the limited amount of spark control with that.

If you build or order your MS unit with two ignition coils (used to be vb94 or something but they changed the part number) you can use an EDIS coil pack and control the spark directly from the MS box, works really well!

Like RC said, there is no pre-made kit for our cars. You have to piece it all together by hand.

I would make a list of everything you think you need.. then continue to research and see if you missed anything.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The electronics will be the last piece I work on. I'm more interested in putting together a fool-proof kit of the hard items (fuel rail, trigger wheel, assorted brackets, breather updates, etc.). There are just too many already-available options for the Engine Management Stuff, and not enough time or margin to make it worthwhile trying to reproduce or repackage existing off-the-shelf solutions (like 034, SDS, or DIYAutoTune megasquirt stuff).

Technically, you don't need a trigger wheel for EFI. You only need that if you also want to replace the obsolete spark control on our cars with an EMS.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flosho wrote:
bnoon, I can elaborate more here, but I am on my way into work soon.

I believe the hardest part about the physical parts collecting is the mounting and use of a trigger wheel. Next would be the fuel rail. Many of us had the luxury of using the Endwrench fuel rail that is NLA. I believe some of the 420a Neon rails are close.

Those are the two more challenging parts to source.

For a FPR, I went with the MSD-2222 (summitracing) $80. It is boost sensitive. There are other adjustable rising rate FPR as well but some are a bit more pricey.


I believe you can keep the stock distributor - I never did any research into that because of (i believe) the limited amount of spark control with that.

If you build or order your MS unit with two ignition coils (used to be vb94 or something but they changed the part number) you can use an EDIS coil pack and control the spark directly from the MS box, works really well!

Like RC said, there is no pre-made kit for our cars. You have to piece it all together by hand.

I would make a list of everything you think you need.. then continue to research and see if you missed anything.


The fuel rail, I've got that covered. I have 3' long sections and the correct bits to make them myself.

For the spark, I do plan on keeping the stock distributor initially, then upgrading at a later date as boost goes up with the planned mods... that is, if I decide to not bastardize it with a Chevy motor.

ideola wrote:
Technically, you don't need a trigger wheel for EFI. You only need that if you also want to replace the obsolete spark control on our cars with an EMS.


Since flosho says he never researched it, perhaps you know... What does the stock distributor need for a signal to work? Is it just power that it needs? Or something more? S1 if that makes a difference.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need the coil and the capacitive discharge igniter box that's on the LHS inner wheel well, just behind the headlight bucket. I presume all of that stuff is already on your car. Spark and fuel can be converted independently, they don't have to be done at the same time. If you sort the crank trigger and trigger wheel, you can eliminate the ignition distributor and easily convert to Ford EDIS, and run it off of a MS board without even touching fuel delivery. Or vice versa.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhhh, got it. So the spark will stay 100% stock until I decide to do the EDIS upgrade later. Thanks guys!
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread delivers!
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