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JSMotors  



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Not running- spark issues Reply with quote

'78 California n/a

Put my engine back together and can't get it to run. Fuel is definitely being delivered but I'm only getting spark in the number 2 cylinder. Replaced the plugs and wires, checked and re-checked gap and timing and firing order and still only getting the number 2 cylinder to work. Ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you should recheck the timing belt..Here's the procedure I use:

- disconnect the battery ground for safety
- remove the #1/front spark plug
- turn the engine pulley with a socket wrench until the mark on the timing pulley aligns with the pointer.
- use a wooden pencil through the #1 spark plug opening to verify that the #1 cylinder is at top dead center (TDC). If not, turn the crank around once until the mark on the engine pulley again aligns with the pointer on the engine. Verify that #1 cylinder is at TDC.
- Align the back camshaft pulley marker to the pointer. Losen the bolt on the distributor cap and turn the distributor cap so that the rotor is pointing at the contact that fires the number one cylinder. Tighten the distributor cap screw and the camshaft drive belt tensioner with everything aligned as noted. Connect the battery and fire it up. Hope that this helps. - Peter
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as above however, you should get sparks at all plugs whether the valve timing or ignition timing is correct or not.

pmcaya2 wrote:
- use a wooden pencil through the #1 spark plug opening to verify that the #1 cylinder is at top dead center (TDC). If not, turn the crank around once until the mark on the engine pulley again aligns with the pointer on the engine. Verify that #1 cylinder is at TDC.

plus, look through the oil filler to check that both exhaust and inlet valves are up (closed) too, to find #1 TDC

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This sounds more like a distribution issue and a new rotor arm and distributer cap should solve this. (if it is as you describe)
inspect the inside of the dizzy cap to check it is free from carbon dust and for electrode ware plus check that the spring loaded carbon brush is good.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your 78 has the points and condenser type ignition, the points needs replaced/gapped or the condenser is faulty.

Dennis
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the condenser? I cleaned the contact points on the cap, but they do appear to be worn down.
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JSMotors wrote:
What's the condenser? I cleaned the contact points on the cap, but they do appear to be worn down.


If you have a points and condenser ignition they would be under the rotor mounted on the advance plate.

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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JSMotors wrote:
I cleaned the contact points on the cap, but they do appear to be worn down.

This is your problem.
It is unlikely that a faulty condenser or poorly gapped or worn points (unless your dizzy shaft is very badly worn) will give you a spark on only one plug. That is not to say that you should not give these components consideration during a service,

Do yourself a favour, buy, new cap, rotor, points and condenser. they are not expensive.

Once you have replaced them do a search for "static timing method" and select Search for all terms and Display results as: Posts
follow the instructions on the results returned from the search and you car will purrrrrrr....
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So got the new cap and rotor on and still no good. I'm having a hard time finding the condenser and points though. I've run a few searches on google but I'm only finding these electronic conversion kits. Are these any good or just expensive junk?

http://www.hot-spark.com/1-porsche.htm[url]
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 78 distributor that worked when I took it off the car. Might be easier just to replace yours. I dont really need my dizzy anymore. PM if you are interested in it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when did a North American '78 have points? I was under the impression the '78 had electronic ignition in the entire North American market.

I'd certainly have difficulties changing the condensor on my '78, as it doesn't have one. Nor does it have points for that matter, so it'd be hard to adjust those too.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i'm totally lost now...
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

take up stienbarger on his offer. . these distributors can be very tempermental and if you have the oppertunity to replace with a tested unit, jump on it. I did with mine after toiling for centuries and my car now runs like a white hot ball of canine terror.
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