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[Martijnus]

Inspired by the gear reduction starter group buy and some problems with my own starter I took a dive in the pool of starters.

I'm getting confused.

PET list says:

059 911 023 F for the 924
035 911 023 N for the 924 with automatic gearbox.

Google search on the first number gave me this information:
http://www.teilesuche24.de/ersatzteile/anlasser-starter,bosch_986010110
with this pic:


The things I'm confused about at that moment:
9 teeth correct?
The turning direction seems correct, don't know how to see that...is that CCW or CW?
The info on 924.org ( http://www.924.org/parts/parts.htm ) says it has 9 teeth but turns CW. I believe it's CCW.

After another search I've found this starter:
http://www.teilesuche24.de/ersatzteile/anlasser-starter,hella_8ea726047001?c=100359

The info says it should fit the 035 911 023 F, and this IS a gear reduction starter. The only difference is that the flange is 82mm instead of 83mm (see above)
looks good.

Has 9 teeth and turns CCW (in german that's "Drehrichtung im Uhrzeigersinn")

So far so good, this looks like the one I need.

Hmm. I wanted to create this topic because I thought I found an alternative with the 'correct' part no... but that had 13 teeth. Can't find it anymore so I guess I was mentally unwell or something...

Does that hella one look good?

The bosch alternative (with correct porsche/vw numbers!) is this one:
http://www.teilesuche24.de/ersatzteile/anlasser-starter,bosch_1108026

the only difference is the angle of the relay, but I don't know if it's a gear reduction starter. It sure is expensive

I guess that hella one is the one I need.
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"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment

[Nobbi]

Hallo Martinjus,

CCW stands for Counter Clock Wise right ? In german that means
Gegen den Uhrzeigersinn.

And CW means Im Uhrzeigersinn.

As for the starters, i only new about the 0,9 KW and 1,1 Kw diffrence.
But i have seen a new typ of starter installed in a NA 924. It was a thin tube style outlay, with half of the thickness of the original ones....
Dont now the brand..no pic.

Nobbi
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NA 924 - april/1977- 4-speed-audi gearbox.
500.000 km with fun.....and new toy:Porsche 944 S2 Cabriolet.Other car Daimler c-class cabby,brandnew..Plus : DEUTZ 4005 tractor Built 1967

[Martijnus]

[RC]

IIRC the 4 & 5 speed NA starters are rated at 0.8KW while auto ones are 1.0KW. Was listed in Bosch & Rock Auto catalogs, not disputing Nobby`s figures, very similar anyway.

[Martijnus]

[ideola]

Just to clarify, NAs require a CLOCKWISE rotation on the starter...
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erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made

[Martijnus]

I ordered the starter today. Tomorrow I'll pick it up at the shop. It'll be a bosch one iirc so we'll see. the part no. is the 0 001 108 026.
_________________
"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment

[v8carreragts]

In case anyone is interested this is the starter I had used in my 924's.

(Postal Jeep starter)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/POSTAL-MAIL-JEEP-STARTER-DJ5-G-MODEL-121-CID-REMAN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZQ7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a30QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em14Q2el1262QQhashZitem413f7fc0feQQitemZ280238211326QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[RC]

Yes Martijnus looks like you`re correct about the regs. Stock one was similar IIRC and see difference is the diameter of slip ring. Think the ones I linked to fit later models, 944 anyway. My alt is a rebuilt higher current bitza (bits of this & bits of that).

So is that Bosch starter you ordered a reduction drive? Interested to hear more and see some pics of it.

[Martijnus]

[Martijnus]

guess what...they didn't deliver the starter motor at the shop today

I drove the car to my work and put it on the car lift to get rid of some things like the old starter etc.

Found out the old starter was literally falling apart, due to the long screws which apparently came loose. Haven't touched them ever, so it's not my fault...but it explains the very bad performance.

Also concluded that my alternator bushings are gone, but I can't find a supplier for new ones. I'm really getting pissed off about those car material suppliers. They're such stupid and ignorant people... the only thing they can do is find the parts which belong to a licence number and get them from a shelf. If you supply a vw number, they get confused and kick you out of their protected and simple environment because you're a potential hazard or something.

Anyway.. I'm in doubt between searching for rubber ones or fabricate some out of some plastic material.
also found out all my wheels have play... explains the vibration during braking. The front is easy, the rear will be expensive..and I can't get my fubar'ed drain plug out of my gearbox overtightened by the previous owner I guess... amateur.

monday I'll have the new starter (installed)
_________________
"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment

[Martijnus]

Wow, what a difference.
Picked up the starter yesterday. The starter is slimmer and feels lighter.

It's a rebuilt unit, from a brand I couldn't figure out (= I didn't make the effort to find a brand name), but that all doesn't matter.

It was plug&play, very nice.
With my battery not recharged it still turned the engine as if there weren't any spark plugs in it. Sounded like a modern car starting. Great stuff, I'm really happy with it

part no for reference is Bosch 0 001 108 026.
_________________
"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment

[Harm]

[Martijnus]

thanks anyway man!
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"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment

[RC]