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dash16
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 255 Location: Cali Cali
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emoore924
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2822
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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HA! NO car values are rising. And these days, it can take a LONG TIME to find a legitimate buyer (someone who is truly ready, willing and able to make a purchase) for cars like ours (typically a second or third car for most folks...). People aren't replacing their FIRST cars right now, much less buying toys. Just ask any of the big three.
IMHO, give yourself LOTS of lead time for your sale because it can take a while (often 6 months or more) to find a legitimate buyer, and if you find a legitimate buyer who offers you anything that's not totally silly, TAKE THE DEAL, 'cause you might not see another one for a while. |
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tuurbo

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1446 Location: East Windsor, New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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It depends on the shape of the car. But if people are feeling strapped in a recession, they`re not usually prone to go out and buy Porsches. It happens to be a little tough to explain to wife units.
Personally I`m quite willing to pick up a cheap 924S while the market is soft. It`s soft now. I doubt August is going to be much different. _________________ 1980 924 turbo, MSD, Meth. Inj, otherwise stock. |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| dash16 wrote: | | Is the value of our cars rising? |
An '87 S in average condition? Almost certainly not.
| dash16 wrote: | | Do you project the value to rise or fall around August 2009? |
It will very likely stay exactly where it is i.e. practically unsaleable (relative to just about any other Porsche). I take it you feel something special is happening in August? What might that be?
| dash16 wrote: | | When do you believe the 924S value will rise to circa 10K and beyond like the 914 has? |
It's very probable an '87 S will never be a desirable 924 variant, let alone a desirable Porsche. So, I'd have to say... not in this lifetime!
Just my $0.02. Prove me wrong, toofahs... prove me wrong!
EDIT: That first auction you listed is dubious... an auto '87 S bid up to US$5,101?! Not likely, IMHO. Although it does look very clean...
The other looks like junk, a parts car. It won't sell.
I didn't see any 914's going for anywhere near ten grand, either.
I liked this line in one of the auctions for an '87 S, "OK FOLKS, LETS TRY THIS AGAIN. WE ALL KNOW THIS CAR IS WORTH $5000 SO LETS GET SERIOUS..." Apparently, not everyone knows that car is worth US$5,000! _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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joecitizennn

Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I dont think much of kelly blue book. Never have. But in the short 4 years I have owned 924S cars I have seen the blue book value go up, where as the bluebook on my Mazda Miatas keeps dropping like a rock.
That said, porsches can be hard to get rid of unless they are really pretty and really perfect. People are afraid of working on them even though it is no harder than any other car. The name seems to carry awe with it or something. Whatever. |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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If anything, prices are falling...
I don't know if you can get $5000, for a perfect 924S, right now.
So, any 924S, regardless of the condition otherwise that needs a FOES is not going to be worth more than $2000 tops.
And one without an engine probably isn't worth more than $500. |
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alexvex
Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle, WA (from Indiana)
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Like others have said, they definitely aren't rising...nothing is. Hence why I was able to pick up a great condition 87 944 Turbo for only $3700. Only way for a 924 value to go up is if the 944 value goes up too. The 944 will always be worth more and more desired. _________________ --Alex--
1992 Porsche 968 (VW 2.5L I5 Turbo swap in the works)
1995 Audi 90 Quattro Sport (4.2L V8 Swap)
2010 Touareg TDI
Past Pcars: 80 931, 87 924S, 87 951 |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| joecitizennn wrote: | | ...porsches can be hard to get rid of unless they are really pretty and really perfect. |
Oh, they're not that hard to get rid of. Any junk yard will crush it into a cube for you...  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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dash16
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 255 Location: Cali Cali
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| emoore924 wrote: | | HA! NO car values are rising. And these days, it can take a LONG TIME to find a legitimate buyer |
| emoore924 wrote: |
IMHO, give yourself LOTS of lead time for your sale because it can take a while (often 6 months or more) to find a legitimate buyer, and if you find a legitimate buyer who offers you anything that's not totally silly, TAKE THE DEAL, 'cause you might not see another one for a while.
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I plan on e-baying it. If I set the starting bid to $2k and let the monkies duke it out, Im sure I can recover the cost of the car and the expenses made to it.
| Khal wrote: |
That first auction you listed is dubious... an auto '87 S bid up to US$5,101?! Not likely, IMHO. |
I really believe that there are still people out there that have expendable income. 19 bidders on that auction, someone must have wanted to take it away for at least that price.
| Khal wrote: |
I take it you feel something special is happening in August? What might that be? |
August is when I plan on selling the car.
Look folks, everyone on this board has experienced what an absolute joy it is to drive the 924. It can't be so totally undesirable, as some of you have left that opinion from the impression of your reply.
Let's run this senario:
87 924S
Just polished up, looking all sparkly
FOES+WP just done
needs nothing
139k on the odo
what would you pay for it?
What would you expect someone who has never owned a porsche pay for it? _________________ 1987 Porsche 924S Black/Black. 5-spd.
Options: AFX C79 261 398 423 650 651 657
1987 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth Pearl Black/Black. 5-spd.
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alexvex
Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle, WA (from Indiana)
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I payed $2k for a mint 87 924S with 44k actual miles on it. So, I wouldn't pay any more than that come august, even if the economy is marginally better. That's me though. If you want to sell it, don't sell it here as we know how low they can go for. People unfamiliar with porsches don't, so they will be more likely to pay more. _________________ --Alex--
1992 Porsche 968 (VW 2.5L I5 Turbo swap in the works)
1995 Audi 90 Quattro Sport (4.2L V8 Swap)
2010 Touareg TDI
Past Pcars: 80 931, 87 924S, 87 951 |
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Ian924s88

Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 51 Location: Townsend MA
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I'd say 3500$ absolute Highest I would pay and It would have to be close to showroom cond. Also depends on the area of course, I saw a 1986 S go for 9500$ 3 years ago which I think is insane ( go get a 968 for that ).
here is one in the Northeast NH ( i'd give this guy 2500$ if it is what he says it is )
http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1108264961.html _________________ 1988 Blue 924s |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:03 am Post subject: |
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The problem with eBaying a car is the DeadBeats, JoyBidders, and LookyLoos with no money, and no intention to ever pay you.
I sold my 73 914 2.0 three times on eBay and paid the fees for listing and selling the car three times with a Final Auction Price over $6000, BUT never got paid once.
And then there are the Scammers who claim they sent $10,000, $15,000, or $20,000 by wire transfer to you, or your bank, and want you to arrange to have the car shipped to a local seaport. |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| dash16 wrote: | | I plan on e-baying it. |
Good luck, see others comments above.
| dash16 wrote: | | If I set the starting bid to $2k and let the monkies duke it out, Im sure I can recover the cost of the car and the expenses made to it. |
If you can, that's great.
| dash16 wrote: | | I really believe that there are still people out there that have expendable income. 19 bidders on that auction, someone must have wanted to take it away for at least that price. |
What you believe doesn't really matter. The reality is these cars, if they sell, don't usually sell for anywhere near US$5,000. About half that seems to be the going rate... for a good one.
(the one that hit US$5,000+ is an anomaly anyway, because it appears to be in mint condition... not just good or very good but near-enough actual mint condition... I suspect yours, like most of ours here, is not anywhere near that condition)
Do yourself a favour, look at all the "completed listings" for '87 924S's and see if any of them actually sold and what they sold for. Prepare for disappointment.
| dash16 wrote: | | Look folks, everyone on this board has experienced what an absolute joy it is to drive the 924. It can't be so totally undesirable, as some of you have left that opinion from the impression of your reply. |
Don't misread the sentiment. We all love the toofah or we wouldn't be here. Just trying to be realistic. But you don't need us to tell you. Search through the "For Sale" forum here and see what the cars have been advertised for and what (if they sell) they have sold for, look on ebay for completed listings, etc, etc...
| dash16 wrote: | | ...what would you pay for it? |
I feel that's been well established.
| dash16 wrote: | | What would you expect someone who has never owned a porsche pay for it? |
Not more than a few grand. But it can be pretty random. A fool and their money are soon parted, as they say. Go find a fool
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| dash16 wrote: | | August is when I plan on selling the car. |
You're gonna sell a little-known, unloved, old German sports car as it's heading into winter... and you expect top dollar?! Apparently you're in California, but still...  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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emoore924
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2822
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Apparently you're in California |
Yeah, and I want some of what he's smokin'  |
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RobG

Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 57 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| alexvex wrote: | | Like others have said, they definitely aren't rising...nothing is. Hence why I was able to pick up a great condition 87 944 Turbo for only $3700. Only way for a 924 value to go up is if the 944 value goes up too. The 944 will always be worth more and more desired. |
I need to get myself over to Indiana! You are making a killing over there....
Being in the market for a 924S currently (or 931, 944), I'd say that I am looking to spend MAX $3500 on a well kept car with recent FOES (like the acronym!). If it were an automatic, that would drop some. Without recent service, I would say that my limit would be even lower, maybe $2500 max for a car in excellent condition. Since I have previously owned a 924S and could be loosely considered an enthusiast, I might not be your typical buyer. Then again I wouldn't make an offer if I didn't mean it.
There was one on ebay that I had been keeping an eye on:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140313654183&_trksid=p2759.l1259
but it has already gone over my limit for a 924S considering the $700 it would cost to get it back to RI from SC. It looks like a nice car, though an Autocheck on it reveals no records prior to 1999.
Over the last few months I would agree that the average asking price seems to be a bit inflated, at least in my local market and on ebay, compared to when I was last in the market (2003). Maybe there's a seasonal component too? _________________ 1987 924S
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