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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:31 am Post subject: Possible solution to the speedo cable dilema? |
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Its a 944S gearbox with the electronic speedo sensor removed and a 931 speedo cable attached instead.
Good news if you want to fit 951 hubs/spindles an brembo's AND want to get rid of the snailshell to fit a 944S2/951 tranny?
Obviously, the cable will not be long enough but how easy would it be to attach two cables together?
Would the callibration even be correct?
Any thoughts guys? |
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Possible solution to the speedo cable dilema? |
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| ic932 wrote: | | Would the callibration even be correct? |
To find out (or at least get a rough idea), turn both driveshaft (halfshaft) flanges one full rotation while watching the free end of the speedo cable. If the cable also makes exactly one full rotation, the calibration might be ok. For more accuracy, of course rotate the flanges multiple times (10?-100?) and see how many turns the cable makes, and if it's the same. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
'82 924T, US version, dark green metallic, 5 speed Audi 016G gearbox |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Good thinking Smoothie, that makes sense.  |
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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Like Smoothie said, you need an exact 1:1 ratio with the axle shafts and run a tyre with the same OD as OE spec.
Failing that you can get some mechanical speedos recalibrated. Have had them changed at an instrument shop (that was also a VDO agent) when changing diff ratios or gearboxes. There are also many different types of little gearboxes available, some with various teeth gears to alter the drive ratio. May also be a convenient way to couple 2 cables together. Quick google on "speedometer gearbox" gives many options, including UK based ones.
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm
http://www.importedvehicles.co.uk/cable_driven_speedos.htm |
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bruce76-924

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 105 Location: Bradford, England
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Great idea but I'm pretty sure that the 944 spedo drive runs at twice wheel speed, so some form of recalibration will be needed. Could you join the cables together via some kind of gear set up to reduce the speed - just the sort of project a model enginner would love!!
Good luck, Bruce. _________________ 1976 924 LHD, full cage, semi tube chassis, 951 brakes, lightweight 951 body panels.
1.8t engine conversion with Holset turbo and 6 speed Audi gearbox. |
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bruce76-924

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 105 Location: Bradford, England
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Sorry RC, just seen that you suggested joing cables with gears!!!  _________________ 1976 924 LHD, full cage, semi tube chassis, 951 brakes, lightweight 951 body panels.
1.8t engine conversion with Holset turbo and 6 speed Audi gearbox. |
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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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No worries Bruce.
Personally have no idea at what ratio the cable rotates. No argument here if you say 2X. Didn`t think it would be that simple somehow?
Recall getting a little reduction box that fitted on the back of the speedo between the cable when doing a MPH to Km/H conversion to get an import through rego. So was just a suggestion. |
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Buwani 931

Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 308 Location: Napa California
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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I used to make these where I worked.
You would be better off making an all new cable, putting the ratio box where you want it. A good shop will have a mile ( or whatever you call them there ) meter to figure out what ratio you need. Hook up meter to your cable-drive a marked mile-get reading-make correct box.
Shawn _________________ 1980 931
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten. |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Great input guys.
This was just an after-thought really. I was taking pics to show a fellow board member the differences between the snailshell gearbox set-up and the Audi set-up.
Knowing that the 924 speedo cable fits perfectly into the electronic speedo fitting and that the cable is long enough to move the problem to the centre-console area inside the car is a good start.
It will be simple enough for me to attach the cable to a 924 speedohead then drive an observe...Once i get the motor/trans back in of course lol!  |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Does VDO make "oem" looking speedometer except in electric? _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| flosho wrote: | | Does VDO make "oem" looking speedometer except in electric? |
Flosho, I think VDO supply both the mechanical speedo's on the 931 and the electric ones found on ovaldash 944's. |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Speedo cables for my 79 its just a one piece that goes to the front hub..
though i do know that some of the later cables are 2 piece yup one long cable and a short one the short one runs off the guage and goes into a littl;e black box up under the dash and the long one runs out to the hub. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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There are companies that can make a custom cable for this applications...i'm sure of it.
Joining two cables does not sound such a good ideea to me but fab-ing a new one and using this method does ! _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
https://www.the924.com |
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