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More fuelling problems! - one thing leads to another!

 
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ourkid  



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: More fuelling problems! - one thing leads to another! Reply with quote

Could someone please help me sort this out - It started with a bad relay,which i swapped for a used "spare" found in the car,i think this has gone again so i have a fused link/swith for now,which is actually helping in troubleshooting the pump.
Because it got VERY noisy and the car decided one morning not to start,i swapped it for a Sytec pump (not sure if you have these outside of the UK but it is the recommended alternative to the OEM supplied Bosch pump)

At the same time as fitting the new pump i stripped out the in-tank pump,which was dead,so i just have the pipe from the tank fitting to an in-line filter then to the external pump.

When i flick my bypass switch the pump operates and i can feel pressure in the discharge line,but after a few seconds the pump sounds like it's bogged down - i can't hear fuel returning back to the tank like i could with the old pump,and the car won't start.

This new pump should be capable of up to 9 bar,i'm not sure what to do next?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What flow is the after-market filter you added capable of?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point,I'm not sure but it's a large steel cannister type.Incidentally,is the cannister next to top strut mount in the engine bay another filter?

I've just cracked the union off the top of this and run the pump - i got a huge squirt across the garage!,so i'm getting pressure up there

I need to go back and re-understand the workings of the F.I system,is there a minium pressure requirement for the engine to run?,if so where is the best place to measure it?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to update,

Ignition on,pump working,pressure up to distributor,

If i lift up the metering arm (from inside the airbox),then crack off a union from one of the top fuel line banjos,i hear a hissing noise but just a bubbly dribble of fuel - is this normal?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull all the injectors, put each one in a milk bottle or similar so you can watch the spry pattern, short out the fuel pump relay so the pump runs then lift the metering plate, all the injectors should squite together.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rich,
just thinking ahead slightly,i have some time tomorrow to try and sort this out so gathering info now,If i find that i'm not getting a good squirt,what is the next step with troubleshooting? (i'm thinking fuel pump flow test)

Just to clarify what lead to this.The car wouldn't start so i assumed the fuel pump was the problem (been noisy for ages and getting worse),so the problem was there BEFORE I fitted the new pump,not necessarily caused by it.
Is there something inside the metering head/diss body that could cause loss of pressure?What if the CSV was leaking?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are your accumulators leaking?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ourkid wrote:
Incidentally,is the cannister next to top strut mount in the engine bay another filter?


Yes, and if it hasn't been replaced it is likely clogged with old fuel jelly.
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