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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Cam sound ? Reply with quote

I hade my head ported and checked because of a head gasket failure. The mechanic told me that the cam and followers were ok and everything worn was exchanged for new parts. He is an true expert (but maybe not on this particular engine).

The engine is very easy to start and relative silent. Oil and water looks good by color and level. Compression was low but even, a bit more than 100psi for all cylinders with a cold engine and bad battery. Ignition when idling is approx 20 deg BTDC.

BUT, when the engine gets warm and I let go of the throttle, there is a loud hard metalic sound (clash, slack, click). It is definetly from the head, not from the turbo, popvalve or CIS. Sounds almost like the piston is hitting a valve. But nothing at constant revs of if I let the revs slow down gently.

I have no idea what it is, but is scary. Please help me out! Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well not sure how load it is but ,my trhottle cable makes a cluck noise when i release it i had a fright the first time until i checked what it was and worked it out and now it's normal ....

my race car had the piston hitting the valves and let me tell you that is no funny noise if it does it twice the velve is bent and it's all over the car will not perform and probably start to smoke and you wil hear a noise at idle and at reving the motor
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also thought that the throttle housing made the noice, and it is very similar, but louder and a harder. Sounds like there is a gap between two parts and it occurs when the load is released. An instant noice just like slamming a hammer into the headcover.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure it's not your recirc valve? It makes a noise exactly as and when you are describing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rasta,

That is exactly what people are telling me, but the location of the sound is more from the head than the turbo. Is the pop valve working when you rev the engine standstill? I canīt hear the noice when the engine is cold, or maybe just rev it enough...

Maybe I am just paranoid, but the noice canīt be right.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recirc valve should "clack" every time you open or close the throttle.
-And yes, it'll do it when you rev the engine standing still. A sharp rise in manifold vacuum as in when you release the throttle, pulls the recirc valve open with a "clack". Same when you open the throttle - you get a sound again as the recirc valve closes..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well waddayaknow, my recording of it is still out there -
http://www.geocities.com/smoothies931sounds/PopOffValveClick18sec-48kHz16bitStereo.mp3
It sounds tinnier, like a tick on my little laptops' speakers. In real life it's more like a clack sound.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, I donīt have that. Dead silent. But, that is what I would expect from a valve.

The noice I get is only when you rev the engine and instantly shut the throttle. It is harder, heavier and (maybe) louder.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revving the engine and shutting the throttle is what Smoothie is doing in the recording. The valve makes a pretty loud clacking sound when it opens and when it shuts.
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