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wdb · Guest

would one of you aussies call these people to see what they charge to make the necessary hardware ,to put a vw vr6 into a 924
http://www.rodshop.com.au/index.htm

Cbass · Guest

Umm, you'd need a sawed up cross member and probably a new clutch. The shop time will be the killer. Would be maybe $1000 if you did the work yourself.

ricomartinez · Guest

What would the engine and all ancillaries/electricals/etc. necessary cost?

Cbass · Guest

That really all depends on where you get it from. From a VW dealer, probably about $5000. From a junkyard, maybe between $1500 and $3000.

I'll say right now, most people wouldn't touch this swap with a 10ft pole. It's a question of putting a transverse FWD motor into a longitudinal RWD platform. However, the unique nature of the 924 torque tube assembly makes it quite possible, even easy if you know what you are doing.

My advice would be pick a different engine though, or at least find a couple of people who have done it for reference. I have never seen it done, so I can't give any specifics.

wdb · Guest

I found a site that says " IT is really a simple procedure to swap an engine in a Volkswagen. All inline 4 VW engines have the same bolt holes for engine mounts and accessories such as alternators and power steering pumps" AND " It is interesting to note that an engine from a 1988 New Beetle will bolt into a 1975 Dasher! The transmissions from 1975 to today all bolt on the same too. The need for special bell housing adapters or other complicated stuff like that is not necessary in the VW world " end quote. does that mean it is safe to assume because 924 was designed for vw that this info applies to the 924 ,and vw engines will drop right in,no adaptors necessary ?if the 190 HP 2.8L V6 (60 degree) engine ,from the 98 and later passat will bolt right up it sure would be nice.
http://www.volkswagen.org/EngineSwap/Default.htm

wdb · Guest

another source for engine/trans adaptor plates
http://www.kennedyeng.com/

Cbass · Guest

The 924 uses an Audi inline 4 set longitudinally in the car to drive the rear wheels. Volkswagens all use transversely mounted engines to drive the front wheels. The Dasher was FWD, so is the Beetle. You have to turn the engine 90 degrees, arrange the mounts to do this, and worry about your engine shaking itself to pieces, even if you can get it to fit.

The 924 is a little easier for this kind of thing than most RWD cars, because you don't have to hook up the tranny to the clutch. You only have to hook up the torque tube, which gives you enough leeway to make it possible, but there is no way it'll be easy.

wdb · Guest

the beatle is rear engine rear drive ,the vavagon is rear engine rear drive,the 98 passat has front v6 engine longitudinally mounted and rear drive. so not ALL VW's are front wheel drive. for me the 924 carrera GT body style is right up there with the 67 vette and the 66 shelby cobra coupe. if it was only about performance ,I could buy a used stang 5.0 or a 944 . I want the carrera gt body style,great handling ,a comfortable interior , and a little more performance , 2-300 is what I'm hoping for.the 924 engine lacks power and the parts are expensive. so if I can find an engine that will fit ,that has 200 hp or better ,with more reasonable part prices ,I'll put it in. I can buy a whole engine for the price of a new 924 oil pump. motor mounts ,and brackets are simple to make,If I cant do it, there are a dozen machine shops that can.the CIS is the only thing that makes an engine transplant difficult,even though the fuel injection is far superior to carbs, I would go with carbs if necessary. I didnt think twice about spending 7 G's on a used car, spending that much to build a car that has all that I would want in a car,great looks, handling, performance, and comfort,will be my pleasure.

Cbass · Guest

Now that's the right attitude. I can't think of a better car for an engine swap than a 924. It may have a small engine bay, but that doesn't mean a thing. I did not know the 98 passats were RWD, that changes everything. I know the Beetle and vans were RWD, but they were also rear engined. The best way to do an engine swap is to start with a similar drivetrain. A 924 is front engine/rear wheel drive. The tranny in the back makes things a lot easier.

If you can get a Passat V6 that is set up for a longitudinal RWD arrangement, You could put it in a 924 for sure.

Cbass · Guest

How does the stock injection matter anyways? Take the ECU that comes with your new engine.

wdb · Guest

I was mistaken about the 98 passat, it is 1.8L turbo FWD. the 2000 passat has 2.8L ALL wheel drive, that might be interesting.

ricomartinez · Guest

According to the above VW engine swap link, all the VW/Audi 4-cylinder bellhousing bolt patterns are the same. I don't think it is a stretch to say ours are too. That said I would deduce that the VR6 bellhousing is the same too. Anyone know for sure?

As for the conversion from our injection to a modern electronic injection, I don't think that would be a big deal. Like someone said above, get the harness and ecu from the donor car. Our stock pumps should be able to supply the fuel. Just have to join it to the engine's fuel system. They talk about this in AutoSpeed online magazine. Specifically about modernizing a CIS to electronic injection. (Listen to me making this all sound easy.)

Rick M

wdb · Guest

since no one has taken a close look at these parts , IT MIGHT JUST BE THAT SIMPLE. I was just there,wondering about the 16 valve head off the 90 jetta and passat 2L, that would make alot better use of the larger T.B. and port+polish some of you have done.

Cbass · Guest

Yeah, I heard the bell housings are the same from the 70s on. If you can get the engine to fit, it should bolt up.

>IF< you can get the engine to fit. This is not as easy as it sounds. With a similar FE/RD setup, it's usually as simple as putting in different motor mounts.

With a FE/FD to FE/RD, you have to turn the engine 90 degrees, fabricate mounts, and do some heavy welding and sawing. You must be a perfectionist, and you have about a 1/4" leeway. If you're more than a 1/4" off, it'll fit, and it'll run, but it'll also shake the front of the car to pieces.

Richard · Guest

When you pull the 924 engine you could mount a small laser to the front of the torque tube and shoot to a target where the radiator should be. Then when your fabing your engine mounts, mount laser dead center on crank pulley and line up the dots. Presto, engine is lined up with drive.