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koolkarateguy

Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 108 Location: Nova Scotia ,Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: Head Rebuild |
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Hey everyone, I think the time has come to seriously consider a cylinder head rebuild. Anyone have any suggestions regarding performance parts such as cams, headers and such and some sources ? _________________ 1979 N/A 924 |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Send it to European Motorworks in California, get the Big Valve work done, comes with cam of your choice, total head rebuild, bigger valves, stiffer springs, porting, the list goes on. Best $1100 I have spent on the car. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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462avi

Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 149 Location: Hollister, California
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Chrenan
Does this do any good for the 931? Sorry for the string highjack
Geoff _________________ 2005 C230K
2002 grand cherokee with 4.7L |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you are going to pour money into the cylinder head, start with one of the better ones.
Use either the early Euro Engine cylinder head with the "D" shaped ports, or the later 80 or 81 cylinder head. The intermediate model year cars that came with smog pumps had a head design that tends to crack between the middle cylinders. |
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Peter_in_AU

Joined: 29 Jul 2001 Posts: 2745 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you compare the NA intake ports with the 931 intake ports you see what a total disaster the NA head is. If you show the NA head to any specialist he will suggest doing what Porsche did with the 931 intake ports; fill in that huge lip at the opening, lift the roof and generally tidy it up. _________________ 1979 924 (Gone to a better place)
1974 Lotus 7 S4 "Big Valve" Twin-cam (waiting)
1982 924 (As featured on Wikipedia)
Learn to love your multimeter and may the search be with you |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 462avi wrote: | Chrenan
Does this do any good for the 931? Sorry for the string highjack
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I've heard no, the 931 head is very well designed apparently. The 924 head on the other hand is purposely designed to cripple the car. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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koolkarateguy

Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 108 Location: Nova Scotia ,Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Hi thanks for the input. I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. The head will not be leaving the city nor will I be changing the head. What I was wondering is keeping the fact that the head will not be switched nor will it be shipped out of town, are there any parts in it like cams and such or anything else that is worthwhile upgrading while it is out of the vehicle.
Actually Chrenan , did that $1100 you paid include round trip shipping to Alberta ? _________________ 1979 N/A 924 |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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No, that was extra, can't remember the total for shipping, but it wasn't as much as you'd think. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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931 head can benefit from porting/polishing. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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koolkarateguy

Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 108 Location: Nova Scotia ,Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Thanks but I don't have a 931 head. So again, anything that'll benefit a 924 N/A head specifically ? _________________ 1979 N/A 924 |
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NEMESIS

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 296 Location: BamaLamaDingGone, of course!
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Upgrades? Not many.
Hotter cam profile? Yes. Integral, Webcams, Piper, Schneider, European Motorworks, Elgin, and others.
Stainless steel valves? Yes. SI Valves
Adjustable cam gear? Yes. Too many to list.
Other than that, just your basic rebuild will do. Check all the tappets for wear, replace guides, seals, 3 angle seat, and do not port and polish the intakes, only clean up the rough edges and smooth it out. DO NOT attempt to port it or you run the risk of loosing much needed velocity by opening it up too much.
Headers? MSDS, Stahl, Bursch and maybe some others.
By the way, all of this information can be found by using the SEARCH function at the top of the page, that's how I did it. |
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Tigger937

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 919 Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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I've heard good things about ExtrudeHone for the head, intake & exhaust manifolds. Anyone have experience with this? Cost?
| NEMESIS wrote: | | DO NOT attempt to port it or you run the risk of loosing much needed velocity by opening it up too much. |
Does this also apply to the 931? _________________ 1981 931 (Concours)
1982 931 (Daily Driver)
"Think outside the box" |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Tigger937 wrote: | | NEMESIS wrote: | | DO NOT attempt to port it or you run the risk of loosing much needed velocity by opening it up too much. |
Does this also apply to the 931? |
Not according to Peter. See his two cents HERE. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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NEMESIS

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 296 Location: BamaLamaDingGone, of course!
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Tigger937 wrote: | I've heard good things about ExtrudeHone for the head, intake & exhaust manifolds. Anyone have experience with this? Cost?
| NEMESIS wrote: | | DO NOT attempt to port it or you run the risk of loosing much needed velocity by opening it up too much. |
Does this also apply to the 931? |
My understanding is no it is not the same since the turbo is producing all the velocity so bigger is better but matching is key. Whether or not off boost performance suffers is another question, and I don't have the answer to that.
As far as extrude hone goes, I have yet to read of anyone doing this to a 931 intake. BUT, since all it does is smooth the intake track by romving imperfections in the casting, judging by the castings on the 931, it can't hurt. Same goes for exhast manifold I guess but less important in my opinion. |
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koolkarateguy

Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 108 Location: Nova Scotia ,Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Nemesis, I appreciate the info it was very helpful. And I did do a search, but it doesn't hurt to ask a question to get some opinions.  _________________ 1979 N/A 924 |
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