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NO RISK NO FUN

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Cheltenham
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: electrontic fuel injection 16 vavle head |
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any idea where or what 16 valve head and efi system will fitt my 924 ? where can i get a high lift cam? _________________ NO RISK NO FUN.. |
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StienbargerR
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 1362 Location: Richmond, IN
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Search function, it's there at the top of the page.
There is no 16v head to use. You'd have to swap a whole new engine in. Only thing that will bolt up to the 924 bellhousing is the Audi 5 cylinder engine, only engine from the same family.
Go to EFI forums and lurk moar ffs. Retrofitting an EFI system to a CIS or carbed car is a pretty involved process, if you have to ask, you're not going to succeed. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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leadfoot

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 2222 Location: gOLD cOAST Australia
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I'm assuming your in england, so you would have high comp pistons, you can swap to a turbo head without to much difficulty if you are planning on an efi conversion at the same time.
Any aftermarket ecu will suit, emerald, motec, wolf or megasquirt, etc just be aware if you are programming it yourself it is often advisable to have someone who also tunes or uses the same system around locally to get advice from...
you would need to make some inserts for the injector and a fuel rail/regulator, but you can run the system of the ecu's internal map and just retrofit a tps throttle sensor.
The efi conversion will be more involved than the head swap, keep the stock cam to start with and swap it out later if you really get itchy pants as efi will open your otions for turbo/supercharging if you want to.
Get the intake manifold with the turbo head, you can still use the n/a manifold but have to port it and move the bolt holes a little.
If you have a budget now would be a good time to speak up, as there are a few people making conversion parts like endwrench (fuel rails) and there is talk of an edis adapter in a group buy if you get involved.
Good luck
Leadfoot _________________ 1981 ROW 924 Turbo -
carbon fiber GT mish mash
LS1 conversion in progress... |
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NO RISK NO FUN

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Cheltenham
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: i feel like im learning a new language! |
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its a love hate relationship thing wont start..losing fuel pressure..remind me not to write on here when ive been to the pub! _________________ NO RISK NO FUN..
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Haha oh wow. I'm slowly starting to think that the original poster here is somebodies alter ego and a troll.  _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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20v924
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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The VW 16v will fit as the Fox uses this engine block. you will need to use the Golf/Jetta intake with the Fox clutch assembly. The 924 bellhousing imitates the Audi transaxle used by the Fox. _________________ A person is smart. People are stupid |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| 20v924 wrote: | | The VW 16v will fit as the Fox uses this engine block. you will need to use the Golf/Jetta intake with the Fox clutch assembly. The 924 bellhousing imitates the Audi transaxle used by the Fox. |
what the hell?! are you daydreaming? fox as...POLO ? as...1.1 to 1.4Liter engines ?
 _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Not the current Fox but a car that was imported to the US 1986 to 1993 and it had a 1.8 motor:
http://www.lunaticfringe.org/vwfox/fox.html _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
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20v924
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again Paul! _________________ A person is smart. People are stupid |
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| 20v924 wrote: | | The VW 16v will fit as the Fox uses this engine block. you will need to use the Golf/Jetta intake with the Fox clutch assembly. The 924 bellhousing imitates the Audi transaxle used by the Fox. |
By 16v, are we talking about the 1.8 and 2.0 16v you'd find in Scirocco or a Passat? Those engines are based on the same block as the 8v engines found in most FWD VWs. Different bellhousing...
Didn't know that the JN engine from the Fox had a common bellhousing, that's interesting. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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wait wait..fudge the bellhousing...VW has different blocks. different stroke bores different everything. i want to see that 16V head that fits our blocks !
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The only engine available was a 1.8L 8v gasoline powerplant.
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The engine is virtually identical to that of Golfs and Jettas of the same time period
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dude...what the hell are you talking about? got pictures? or just text? _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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20v924
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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NO NO NO. VW and Audi have a common bolt pattern at the bell housing! Thats why the 4000 is able to use a 5 or a 4 cylinder engine with the same transmission. this also transfers to the 924 bell housing. The smaller 4 cylinder engines have a completely different bolt circle on the crank. That is why the fox clutch is needed. The Fox uses a 924 transmission also used on 2wd Audis operated by a cable.
Get with it guys, this is starting to get annoying
The 16v motor from the Golf/Jetta/Scirocco is a BOLT IN just as the 5 cyl.  _________________ A person is smart. People are stupid |
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20v924
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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And furthermore what the hell are you talking about bore and stroke for? That makes no difference here. Any VW motor will fit into any VW chassis from '75-'05. VR6's are hard to put in rabbits but it does fit! The 16v came in euro market Audis and VWs well into the new millenium.
There is no 16v head for your truck based motor. GET RID OF IT!!
The VW works... 'nuf said  _________________ A person is smart. People are stupid |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| 20v924 wrote: | | There is no 16v head for your truck based motor. GET RID OF IT!! |
The Viper has a truck based motor. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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