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Rasta Monsta
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 Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: OOTB??? |
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What happened to Out Of The Box?
Vote & discuss!
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flosho
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was, and still am kinda bummed about his absence. One of the only performance threads that had any life, look at this entire forum has died. Same with HBM, hopefully both OOTB, and Wes come around again sometime soon. 
If they read this, they should start posting again.. I wanna see a finished turbo manifold!
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arx
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Khal should have been banned from Perfonce Upgrades forum long time ago  |
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NEMESIS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| flosho wrote: | I was, and still am kinda bummed about his absence. One of the only performance threads that had any life, look at this entire forum has died. Same with HBM, hopefully both OOTB, and Wes come around again sometime soon.
If they read this, they should start posting again.. I wanna see a finished turbo manifold!
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OOTB got a raw deal, and is probably correct in his decision to just work in peace without the criticisms but HBM?
begin rant now
Come on! Wes or whatever he calls himself has stolen thousands of $ from several people in the 924/944 community, wasted massive amounts of numerous folks time with his long winded yarns and never once displayed any proof that he has ever successfully improved performance on any car himself. From what I've read he is nothing more than a blow hard, rambling scammer that pawns off everyone else's work as his own. I fail to see where your loyalty to him comes from and for what it's worth flosho...Lyndsey Racing should be listed in your sig as the cooler of your car, not HBM. Again I don't see what HBM had to do with your THP except maybe playing middle-man and making money for nothing.
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So if either of these guys are lurking the board that's my opinion. If OOTB comes back good embrace him, but if HBM comes back call the cops! |
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Raceboy
Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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It was very impolite from Khal to critisize OOTB's work in such unargumented manner. It was just bashing without any reason that'd make sense.
Sry Khal, you were very wrong this time!
Too bad he's not posting anymore.
And Rasta Monsta, you should add some more options to the poll. Right now it looks like OOTB has done something criminal??? 
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Min
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Raceboy wrote: | It was very impolite from Khal to critisize OOTB's work in such unargumented manner. It was just bashing without any reason that'd make sense.
Sry Khal, you were very wrong this time! |
Sorry raceboy, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. If OOTB can't take some "constructive" citicism, then he's better off quietly working on stuff and not posting stuff here. IMO.
Also, the only way you could know if Khal was 'wrong' is if you did an extreme amount of various testing with various manifolds on a 931 including the one OOTB made, so this is a pointless statement to make. You can't know that he was wrong. And, I agree with him actually. But I won't bother ranting about why I agree with him, becuase like you. I have no proof beyond what I "think" and last I checked. We're all entitled to our opinons. So don't shoot down khal's just becuase yours is different.
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Criminy, everybody ought to lighten up! Khal likes to tease people, and his teasing is totally harmless...it's part of "discussion."
And if you look at the thread, OOTB is totally capable of defending his design decisions, and of teasing back...
Take a breath, people! It's all in good fun!!
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Khal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | Take a breath, people! It's all in good fun!! |
Yeah, really. This is getting quite melodramatic.
| arx wrote: | | Khal should have been banned from Perfonce Upgrades forum long time ago |
| NEMESIS wrote: | | OOTB got a raw deal... |
| Raceboy wrote: | | It was just bashing without any reason... |
Are you guys for real? 
As to Rasta Monsta's question; there may be any number of reasons OutOfTheBox isn't posting right now. I highly doubt my remarks had anything whatsoever to do with it.
Vote me off if you like, I'll disappear. OutOfTheBox probably has a look at the 'board every now and then. Or someone could just PM him. He'll get the message that I'm gone and it's safe for him to come back.
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NEMESIS
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Khal wrote: | | Rasta Monsta wrote: | | Take a breath, people! It's all in good fun!! |
Yeah, really. This is getting quite melodramatic.
| arx wrote: | | Khal should have been banned from Perfonce Upgrades forum long time ago |
| NEMESIS wrote: | | OOTB got a raw deal... |
| Raceboy wrote: | | It was just bashing without any reason... |
Are you guys for real?
As to Rasta Monsta's question; there may be any number of reasons OutOfTheBox isn't posting right now. I highly doubt my remarks had anything whatsoever to do with it.
Vote me off if you like, I'll disappear. OutOfTheBox probably has a look at the 'board every now and then. Or someone could just PM him. He'll get the message that I'm gone and it's safe for him to come back. |
Talk about melodrama?
Yes I am for real, I did not like the way you commented on his project, but if it was your comments that drove him away, I would say he too suffers a little melodramitus. |
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flosho
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| NEMESIS wrote: |
begin rant now
Come on! Wes or whatever he calls himself has stolen thousands of $ from several people in the 924/944 community, wasted massive amounts of numerous folks time with his long winded yarns and never once displayed any proof that he has ever successfully improved performance on any car himself. From what I've read he is nothing more than a blow hard, rambling scammer that pawns off everyone else's work as his own. I fail to see where your loyalty to him comes from and for what it's worth flosho...Lyndsey Racing should be listed in your sig as the cooler of your car, not HBM. Again I don't see what HBM had to do with your THP except maybe playing middle-man and making money for nothing.
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So if either of these guys are lurking the board that's my opinion. If OOTB comes back good embrace him, but if HBM comes back call the cops! |
See I dont think its all that way. I spent a good amount of money on things from Wes and he never did me wrong, and everything worked out great. From what I've talked to him about seems as though he's cleaning everyones shit up(marks) than ripping people off..
I'm not trying to get into a HBM debate, but I haven't dealt with lindsey racing, I dealt with Wes, and Wes treated me well so why shouldn't I promote that. Now I cant say that you have been treated equally well but we dont have to worry about it because he no longer posts here.
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Are you guys for real?
As to Rasta Monsta's question; there may be any number of reasons OutOfTheBox isn't posting right now. I highly doubt my remarks had anything whatsoever to do with it.
Vote me off if you like, I'll disappear. OutOfTheBox probably has a look at the 'board every now and then. Or someone could just PM him. He'll get the message that I'm gone and it's safe for him to come back. |
Relax no one is blaming you for OOTB leaving, I'm sure theres another reason, and hopefully he will be back.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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OOTB is definitely a *little* crazy, not that that's a bad thing. I imagine his skin is thick enough to take a belligerent aussie 
Any very intensive modifications that come through here are usually met with a good bit of scrutiny. There's a lot of collective experience on this board. OOTB's work was a huge undertaking which is why the benefits were probably questioned so heavily. It would be nice to know the difference things like that make so time can either be spent developing it more, or looking elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that.
The HBM debacle is/was a sad episode. Hopefully the law will intervene and those who got taken will get their $$ back. With a little luck everyone else will see some of the tell-tale signs of crooks in the future - calling others' work your own, having explosive tempers, calling results 'trade secrets', the list goes on.
Khal often makes some good points. I wouldn't chalk up aesthetic requirements of performance parts as being one of this finer arguments. Elegance might have a place in math & physics, not so much in a racecar.
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macBdog
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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If you are reading this OOTB.... PICSPLZKTHXBYE!
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jazz guy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I didn't find any of the poll options that I could go with. But I do think this thread brings up an interesting point about people working on new ideas and how this board, as a whole, responds. | Quote: | Nick wrote:
Any very intensive modifications that come through here are usually met with a good bit of scrutiny. There's a lot of collective experience on this board. |
While I agree with Nick that any proposed performance mods should stand up to scrutiny, I think that we need to do more to applaud and encourage people who are willing to give it a go. Furthermore, while there is a wealth of knowledgeable members on the board, relatively few have any real experience in performance upgrades. This is not meant as a derogatory remark toward anyone, as I appreciate the valuable, down to earth advice that flows through most of the threads. One doesn't need to look further than to note that most people don't even have intercoolers (me included) on their turbo cars, and that it hasn't been until more recent times that a few people have started working on supercharging and EFI systems. Kudos to all of you innovators and thanks for sharing your findings on this board.
I hope I am not being condescending because I believe that anybody posting ideas should be prepared to discuss them openly. Also, I am not putting myself in the innovator category, because although I do have a fair piece of wrenching experience, it is mostly in stuffing Ford small blocks into vehicles that weren't made for them or building and tweaking a VW Scirocco that I used for autocrossing.
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It would be nice to know the difference things like that make so time can either be spent developing it more, or looking elsewhere |
This is exactly my point. It is too easy to attack new ideas before they are given a chance to bear out whether they have merit or not. Remember that anybody who is commited enough to undertake projects of any magnitude, have to believe in what they are doing or they wouldn't even try. People in those positions sometimes make strong statements, let's cut them some slack and not kill ideas prematurely.
Finally, anyone who has been around the board long enough can remember the following gems used in response to people wanting to enhance the performance of our cars:
To 924 owners, "Don't waste your time & money, buy a 924 turbo."
To 931 owners, "Don't waste your time & money, buy a 944 turbo."
In general, "Don't waste your time & money, buy a fast car like a mustang or camaro."
And my personal favorite , "Don't waste your time & money, you can't improve on what the Porsche engineers designed."
Let's not go back to that.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Brian
BTW: Now none of this good will should apply to scammers who have not honored agreements or taken money from trusting customers. They should be summarily dismissed from the board. |
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Lizard
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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honestly OOTB dealt out just as many insults and snaps at other members, and if he doesnt like what someone says towards him he should have just ignored it, or thought abit more about what they said.
all I am saying he was no where close to innecent himself!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I wanted to see him finish. I honestly understand some joking and stuff, but seriously, I be pissed if I were him too. It's a shame when ppl heckle the few guys out there building stuff on their own.
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