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Phogphire1
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 Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: Porsches at LeMans Paddock GT2/ 911 AUDI R10 DIESEL *DIAL UP |
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AUDI R10 TDI Diesel Purred quietly to the to take the checkered flag in the recent past.
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Ferrari GT
The Astons were extremly Loud were as the Audi R10 TDi diesel purred quietly
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Phogphire1
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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A few of the Many Porscheplatz, they even had an on track Porscheplatz Parade Laps (I think that next year that I will bring my Sebring for the races, It is in dire need of a wax and I have had no time.)
I would say that there was maybe 2-5 $Million in Porsche$ (retail street cars) out in the Parking area. This is only a short row.
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Phogphire1
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If you want to See more here is my Gallery: http://picasaweb.google.com/OregonSunset/RaceDayAtPIRPortlandLeMans
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Kenodog
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Nice pics man ! I've always been a big fan of the Audi R series cars.
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StienbargerR
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Here are the specs on the Audi R10-
Torque-812.00 Ft-Lbs
HP-650.00 BHP
Displacement-5500.00 cc | 335.6 cu in. | 5.5 L.
Its a v12 twin turbo TDI quattro engine
I cant imagine how crazy that would be to drive. That is soo much torque.
Does anyone know what it redlines at? I think diesel might be better than gasoline for sports cars.
My question is, Is torque more important that Horsepower? Should we ask how much torque a car has, instead of how much HP it has?
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Phogphire1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| StienbargerR wrote: | Here are the specs on the Audi R10-
Torque-812.00 Ft-Lbs
HP-650.00 BHP
Displacement-5500.00 cc | 335.6 cu in. | 5.5 L.
Its a v12 twin turbo TDI quattro engine
I cant imagine how crazy that would be to drive. That is soo much torque.
Does anyone know what it redlines at? I think diesel might be better than gasoline for sports cars.
My question is, Is torque more important that Horsepower? Should we ask how much torque a car has, instead of how much HP it has? |
I have to agree that it is always about torque on the zero-60, 0-100 MPH/KPH but horsepower does play it 's part on the racetrack thier is point where there is at a convergence of HP/and FT#of torque, Torque tends to peak when HP tends to starts it's climb to it's peak ( I know that there is graph in my 924's manual.)
Horsepower is overrated. If you want to think about pulling power think 18 wheelers and the workhorse pickups with the Cummins and Powerstroke engines.
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Khal
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| StienbargerR wrote: | I think diesel might be better than gasoline for sports cars.
My question is, Is torque more important that Horsepower? |
Generally speaking, no.
| Phogphire1 wrote: | | Horsepower is overrated. |
I don't think so. The two are related anyway. But it's a complex and contentious issue. Diesel engines tend to have only a small usable rev-band. Because they don't generally develop a lot of power, they tend to run out of puff very quickly... sure, you get wicked off the line acceleration due to the low-down torque but a petrol (gasoline) -engined car will just keep on developing power and torque for about the twice rev-range that your diesel will and hence, it'll outrun you sharpish.
The major advantage to a petrol (gasoline) engine is its inherent flexibility. OK, compared to a diesel, per cubic capacity, the petrol/gas engine won't pump out the same low-down torque. But it's not that much less torquey -probably equal once it reaches optimum revs... and it'll develop heaps more horsepower... and it'll do it over a wider rev-range. Which is exactly what you want in street car.
Modern diesels may overcome this to some extent. I haven't driven one of the new breed of super-diesels coming out of Europe. But I can assure you, the old diesels are crap! Unless you wanna tow a big boat very slowly... 
If you wanna talk alternatives, diesel is a moot point. It's just another iteration of the good ol' internal combustion engine. For anyone of my generation, our kids (and possibly us) will be driving hybrids first and then probably fuel-cell or pure electric cars. Now electrics are interesting: Imagine 100% torque instantly and over the entire rev-range with stratospheric redlines... and comparitively no noise... I can't wait!
BTW, how did the Astons do, Phogphire1?
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Thats what I figured would be the answer. That is why I am curious what the R10 redlines at. Because, like you said khal, from my experience I have never seen a diesel that revs past 5000 rpm.
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| StienbargerR wrote: | Thats what I figured would be the answer. That is why I am curious what the R10 redlines at. Because, like you said khal, from my experience I have never seen a diesel that revs past 5000 rpm.
Ryan |
IIRC this months Grassroots Motorsports article said the power band was 3000-5000.
I'm sure redline is roughly 5000...it's a V12 after all 
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StienbargerR
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Your right khal...the powerband is tiny!
I guess it being a V12 and all... Well anyway, I thought that the new technology on this one let it rev like a normal gas car, but guess not.
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[quote="Khal"] | StienbargerR wrote: | I
BTW, how did the Astons do, Phogphire1? |
Portland Grand Prix
Portland International Raceway
Saturday's results
1. (3) Rinaldo Capello, Italy; Allan McNish, Scotland; Audi R10 TDI Power (1, P1), 142.
2. (5) Emanuele Pirro, Italy; Frank Biela, Germany; Audi R10 TDI Power (2, P1), 142.
3. (2) Guy Smith, England; Chris Dyson, Pleasant Valley, NY; Lola B06/10 AER (3, P1), 140.
4. (1) Butch Leitzinger, State College, PA; James Weaver, England; Lola B06/10 AER (4, P1), 138.
5. ( Liz Halliday, Rancho Santa Fe, CA; Clint Field, Dublin, OH; Jon Field, Dublin, OH; Lola B05/40 AER (5, P2), 135.
6. (7) Duncan Dayton, North Salem, NY; Andy Wallace, England; Lola EX257 AER (6, P1), 134.
7. (10) Olivier Beretta, Monaco; Oliver Gavin, England; Corvette C6.R (7, GT1), 133.
8. (9) Chris McMurry, Phoenix, AZ; Bryan Willman, Kirkland, WA; Lola EX257 AER (8, P1), 133.
9. (12) Tomas Enge, Czech Republic; Darren Turner, England; Andrea Piccini, Italy; Aston Martin DBR9 (9, GT1), 133.
10. (11) Ron Fellows, Canada; Johnny O`Connell, Flowery Branch, GA; Corvette C6.R (10, GT1), 132.
11. (13) Pedro Lamy, Portugal; Stephane Sarrazin, France; Aston Martin DBR9 (11, GT1), 131.
12. (6) Sascha Maassen, Germany; Lucas Luhr, Germany; Porsche RS Spyder (12, P2), 128.
13. (14) Jaime Melo, Brazil; Mika Salo, Finland; Ferrari 430 GT Berlinetta (13, GT2), 128.
14. (15) Jorg Bergmeister, Germany; Patrick Long, Oak Park, CA; Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (14, GT2), 128.
15. (17) Bill Auberlen, Hermosa Beach, CA; Joey Hand, Sacramento, CA; BMW E46 M3 (15, GT2), 128.
16. (22) Wolf Henzler, Germany; Johannes van Overbeek, San Francisco, CA; Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (16, GT2), 127.
17. (20) Seth Neiman, Burlingame, CA; Darren Law, Phoenix, AZ; Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (17, GT2), 126.
18. (19) Tom Milner, Leesburg, VA; Gunnar Jeannette, Palm Beach Gardens, FL; Panoz Esperante GTLM (18, GT2), 126.
19. (16) Robin Liddell, Scotland; Mike Rockenfeller, Germany; Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (19, GT2), 126.
20. (21) Justin Marks, Sacramento, CA; Bryan Sellers, Centerville, OH; Martin Jensen, Denmark; BMW E46 M3 (20, GT2), 126.
21. (1 Scott Maxwell, Canada; David Brabham, Australia; Panoz Esperante GTLM (21, GT2), 125.
22. (4) Romain Dumas, France; Timo Bernhard, Germany; Porsche RS Spyder (22, P2), 116.
Khal, did you end making out to the races?
I thought that I read that you were headed that direction.
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Khal
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| Phogphire1 wrote: | Khal, did you end making out to the races?
I thought that I read that you were headed that direction. |
No mate. We won't be out that way until the Parade on August 6th.
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morghen
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so whats the REV for that audi ?
and wtf is a " Lola B06/10 AER" ??
and why is the first porsche only in 12th place? 
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StienbargerR
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Morghen,
Those audi's are notoriously difficult to beat. It's been that way since the R8. And dont forget, The new porsche is really new. Probably needs to be reworked a little bit, I'd say its awful hard to beat someone who has been winning for a few years before you even make a car to race.
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