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HappyPuppy · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: Ethanol 924 and 931

With gas prices getting to $3.29 this week, its only naturalto start looking at other alternatives.

Does anyone know what it would take to convert both the 924 and 931 to ethanol? If not, does anyone have any facts that mught help me understand what must be done to make it work.

thanx
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dwak · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 839 Location: Eastern Ontario

Go to 'running_on_alcohol.com' and let me know how it goes. It's an all together better fuel, I believe. With that and a bit of conservation, we wouldn't have to depend on greedy offshore suppliers.

dwak

Paul · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:

I can understand foreign oil prices going up, but why not fix the price per barrel of US produced oil?

dpw928 · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1860 Location: owasso, ok 74055

Paul,

They tried that during the JFK/LBJ reign and it actually made things worse. The domestic oil was fixed at $5.85 per barrel but when the cost of recovery went above $6.00 the well was plugged. As a result at least 75% of the domestic wells in the oil patch were closed down. So now we are dependent on imported oil. Also, since most of our oil AND gasoline is imported any caps on domestic oil would have little short term affects and cause worse long term effects.

If the government can do anything helpful, it would suspend sells of cars to China and India. It is their car boom that is causing the drastic increase in demand.

Dennis
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HappyPuppy · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:10 am Post subject:

Well, after looking at that alcohol website, I know a bit more about the process; however, what I need toknow is if you guys know what plastic parts in the 931/924 are at risk. I'm worried about the liner in the braid fuel lines, the rubber lines from the distributor to the injectors, the the plastic fuel guage float, etc. So, has anyone tried this yet?

The speculation on what the US should do about its dependence on foreign oil is great, but I'm a poor college student who is facing no transportation to his part-time job, if I don't act soon. That's not to say it's a rash decision--I had planned on converting all my cars to run on E85--but the current crisis and my current situation has forced me to bump it to the forefront.

thanx guys
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AGD931 · Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 289 Location: Athens, Greece

I was reading in the newspaper today, that the US is self sufficient in oil and therefore does not need to import but does so for "other'reasons".

Reading on, it states that oil production in the Gulf of Mexico alone, can supply double of what the US consumes. By far the majority of production is for "strategic stock", thereby necessitating imports from Venezuela, West Africa and primarily from the Persian Gulf area....

I personally cannot understand what is going on. Why does the US import oil when domestic production exceeds domestic demand, and why does the price of oil rice worldwide, when the US does not export any oil??

As always though, the ones who suffer in the end is the powerless guy on the street.

Just my two pence worth

Arthur
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dpw928 · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1860 Location: owasso, ok 74055

Arthur,

Think I would question the source on that article. Also, they may have been talking about crude oil only. Most of our gasoline is imported since most of our refineries are closed (Thanks EPA). i.e. the article may be comparing apples to oranges. We do export some of our Alaskan oil since it costs more to transport it to the midwest and eastcoast of the US than to move it to Asia.

Dennis
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numbbers · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:59 am Post subject:

So, you believe what you read in the newspaper?
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Khal · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject:

I've said it before and I'll say it again... we get ridiculously cheap fuel here and the U.S. get it even cheaper than us!

Sometimes I'm amazed at what the Yanks have the nerve to complain about...

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kaffine · Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 644 Location: Las Vegas

I have a friend that owns several oil wells he used to live on the income they provided but he can't pump any more the goverment said it's now part of the reserve now they just pump enough to keep everything lubed and that's it. THe US does have alot of oil but they want to keep it in case of a war and we can't import it anymore.

What really gets me no one where I work will belive me what fuel prices are in Europe. I lived in Spain for 3 years so I know how cheap it is in the US. The one that kinda belives me thinks everyone in Spain makes the equivlant to 30USD an hour or more to pay for the gas. I'm starting to think world travel should be required in highschool for the US and not just to tourist destinations.
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endwrench · Joined: 07 Dec 2002 Posts: 1631 Location: Victor, Montana

Oil is a World Market, right? So if Spain and the rest Europe (and Australia) is paying exorbitant prices for there petrol and they buy it for the same price America does (on the Word Market) then someone is screwing the pooch. We pay on average .50 cents a gallon tax on our fuel here in America. What are you guys paying?!

Todd

Khal · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject:

We're paying about US$3.46 per gallon here at the moment (AU$1.19 per litre).

That's high for here but Queensland get cheaper petrol than the rest of the country because of a Government subsidy (which is about 8c per litre, I think).

We pay an excise on petrol which I think is about 40c per litre and then there's 10% G.S.T. on top of the total price i.e. petrol is, say, 75c per litre then you add the 40c excise to get $1.15 per litre then it's 10% on top of that, say $1.27, minus the 8c subsidy... AU$1.19 per litre.

If I understand it right, that is. It's pretty complicated and different for most States.

By the way, I think your explanation is overly simplistic, endwrench. There are a lot more factors than just the price of a barrel of oil and the tax that contribute to the overall price at any given petrol station in any given part of the world (although I admit they are certainly the main two factors)
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geddes66 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 129 Location: Bakersfield CA

OK, back to the original question about the fuel system and ethanol.
If you are serious about making your Porsche run on alcohol, (I would try it on a clunker first.) you would probably find it easier to switch to alcohol jetted carbs instead of trying to get the original injection system to flow the correct amount fof fuel.
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Paul · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:

All of our fuel in this part of Wisconsin has at least 10% ethanol in an attempt to reduce polution. It runs fine in all of my cars.

Is this discussion about running our cars on 100% ethanol or just some percentage of ethanol in gasoline?

dwak · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 839 Location: Eastern Ontario

I'd say straight ethanol or a mix with a large percentage would at least clear out all the crap out of your fuel system at the beginning which would require you to change filters a lot. But this is from what I've read lately (a lot) and not practice.
To continue the bitch about fuel prices, Canada supplies the US with a major portion of their oil and yet fuel in Canada is a lot higher in Canada. It's jumped to $6.00/gallon due to a hurricane someone else got. The local politicians reasoning for this was so lame it was laughable. It is price gouging! A few control the market and use any excuse to bump up the prices and governments ride their coat tails via taxes that go up at a matching rate. We saw it in the 1970's and we're seeing it again. Make America strong. Use ethanol.

dwak