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joecitizennn

Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: only 110 mph? |
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| I have a 1988 924S. 2.5L engine SOHC. It has 140 K on the clock, but is in excellent runniing condition. I finally found an oppertunity to open it up. It had very rapid acceleration up to 100, slow acceleration to 110, and there it stopped. Why? I dont think it was a problem with a worn out engine, because this car is such a rapid accelerator, and I have found no faults with the engine while working on it. |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:57 am Post subject: |
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I would think something is wrong, that car should go to 140. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Is it an automatic?
Even so, she should easily to 120mph (on its way to about 140, like Chrenan says)  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Even my 924 goes to 110 easily, and the only thing stopping it going any faster is my own fear. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Did you have the headlights up?
Did you have the sunroof open?
Did you have the windows open?
What size tires do you have on the car?
How much air in the tires?
What tranny (already asked by another, but no answer from you)?
What were you carrying in the car?
What grade of gas? |
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924guy

Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 2088 Location: Port St. Lucie, FL
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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i seem to recall getting my 87 924s auto(RIP) over 120 a few times, so theres definatly an issue with an 88 being stuck at 110... could be a bunch of things though... give the colective the answers to the above questions and im sure well come up with some ideas..  _________________ Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
99' VehiCross
Y2K Honda Insight
http://www.cardomain.com/id/924Guy
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joecitizennn

Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:38 am Post subject: re |
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I was using regular gas.
I think my tires are 205 60 15 or something running 25 psi cold.
It was nitetime with my headlights open.
I had the car floored at 110 until I went down a steep hill where it rose to 119, and then receded back to 110.
My sunroof and windows were closed.
I must ovserve that 110 mph in that car is very calm compared to my miata. The porsche seems to just be happily cruising at that speed.
I have noticed no hesitation on acceleration, or any other type of rough running. Sometimes with my windows down I smell exhaust while driving. The car has enough power to squeal its tires on pavement, and glue you to your seat up to 100, so I am at a loss.
maybe need to open up my air intake? |
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joecitizennn

Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: manual |
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| sorry, I have a manual tranny, to answer your questions. A loud manual tranny, I might say, but it is manual. It has a conventional 5 speed shift pattern with reverse at the lower left. I have it topped off tieh 80-90 or something. |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Everything sounds okay so far.
Except...
The tire pressure that you report is low. Your tire diameter will be smaller as a result.
Have you ever had your speedo check with the tires that you are running?
The reason why I asked about your tires size is because tire size will affect the speedo's accuracy. The 924S came with 195/65/VR15 which are a different size in diameter (tire manufacturers each seem to have a difference in opinion as to what size any tire really is). A 205/60/15 from one manufacturer is not the same size as one from another manufactuer), so the speedo reading is probably going to be a little low.
Open headlights will dirty up the car's profile and trim 3-5mph from the top speed. The same thing for opening windows, or opening the sunroof. Open them all up as the same time, and you create a huge amount of drag.
Turning on the air conditioner, or the defroster will load the engine down, as the ac compressor clutch engages, reducing the hp available to push the car.
Running low octane gas will cause knocking under load and reduce hp output. The factory specs were run in Germany with better gas. |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| gohim wrote: | | The tire pressure that you report is low. |
Agreed!
I run my 205/55/15 fronts at 32psi and the 225/50/15 rears at 36psi. The manual suggests about 29psi front and 35psi rear but it feels better to me with the slightly higher pressures.
I've never run a tyre as low as 25psi... unless I was taking a 4WD into the sand. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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timstar92404

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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if the engine runs okay and accellerates good then timing/ fuel should be good right....
maybe the throttle cable isn't adjusted correctly.
I doubt something like your headlights being up or an automatic will make a 924S 110 mph....
even the 78 na is suppose to go up to 120mph manul 4 speed and like 115mph for the automatic......
the 924S automatic should go 130+ at least. _________________ 78 924 sold.
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| timstar92404 wrote: | | I doubt something like your headlights being up or an automatic will make a 924S 110 mph |
Then again, you can't even trace down an exhaust leak. BTW, off topic, but Tim did you install the correct exhaust gaskets when you replaced the catalytic converter with the straight thru pipe? I was having some fume trouble on my NA, and it cleared up when I put in a new foil gasket between the downpipe and the straight pipe. Also check the donut gasket that goes on the back end of the straight pipe, as well as the foil gasket there too.
joecitizennn, I would listen to Gohim on this one. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Not saying the engine is wore out casuse 140 isnt alot of alot
though it could be enough to wear out a component like a lobe
on a cam, its quite the game sorting these things out you have
know the go of your engine. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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924guy

Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 2088 Location: Port St. Lucie, FL
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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though i would definate
another thoght is brake dragly agree that wind resitance and tire pressure will affect top speed, im still wondering if that would result in a 15 to 20 mph drop , that sems a bit much for the conditions reported. Timstar may be onto something with the throttle cam adjustment, or perhaps, its something as simple as having a floor mat bunched up under the accelerator, or some other hangup thats not permiting wide open throttle? easy enough to check by having someone mash the gas pedal and checking the throttle cam to see if it is opening fully..
another thought is brake drag, though i would think that would be noticed at much lower speed.. _________________ Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
99' VehiCross
Y2K Honda Insight
http://www.cardomain.com/id/924Guy
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Ozzie

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 4448 Location: Townsville, Qld. Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: |
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My NA auto had absolute rubbish acceleration and it was caused by poorly adjusted throttle cam and auto cable adjustment.
The adjustment required measuring the angle at rest for the cam and adjusting to 29deg.
Mine was closer to 40deg. Made a huge difference. _________________ Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
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