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Ghostcloak · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 42

Just out of curiosity... How much would you say an excellent condition 1987 Porsche 924S is worth? I've spotted one in the local Raleigh, NC area, and I'm not too familiar with the 924s market value. From what I also understand, they are interference engines?

Do you have any suggestions on car specific questions I should ask to be concerned?

The Owner is asking 4,000 for it. 61k original miles with all records of it being serviced. it has like 3 small dents that are unnoticable (unless you are trying to find something wrong) Paint is original. Nothing leaks. Very slight lifter knock that can only be heard if you open the hood. Runs smoothly, clutch is in fair condition. No rust, water leaks. All electrical units work properly. Whole block has been rebuilt, including pump, wires, belts, valves, EVERYTHING.

Also, I was just curious. I went to a German garrage to see how much it would cost to replace the timing belt and water pump. He's asking $850 for new pump, belt, thermostat, tighting the tensioners... the whole works. Is that a good deal for working on a 81 924 Turbo?
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Roger · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1235 Location: Cordova, TN

The 924S may be a little overpriced but a well maintained Porsche may save you hundreds in maintaince the first year offer him $3,250

Price on the belt job seems ok. Is the shop familiar with Porsches? Do they have the P9201 tool? If not I would look elsewhere. Ask them if they will do the follow up retension for free.
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Lizard · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:

roger keep in mind that the quote he got was for an 81 931, not the 924S

the price on the 924S is resonable, however in regards to the waterpump, it is a very easy job (yes even on the turbo) for you to do yourself with basic tools, and the parts are not that expensive, however if the waterpump isnt leaking on the 931, dont bother to replace it! that is only for the 924S/944
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Ghostcloak · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 42

Alrighty... I'll have to save up and offer the guy 4000 for the '87 924S. Just outa curiosity, how much would a 944 cost? I have yet to see a 944 on sale in the area (they seem to be more rare than the 924S, as I've come across a few 924S's) Should I wait it out and try to find a 944? I'm looking at upgrading the engine to about 300-400 hp sometime down the road, and getting the Carrera GT body kit (I want to try to replicate the 1981 924 Carrera GT). I mean what are your suggestions?

Also, the 924S has an interference engine right? How much for the "special tools" so i can change my own water pump?

Thanks guys!
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gohim · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA

The 931 is an interference engine, same as the 944/924S engine, so you have to stay on top of the scheduled belt changes, or your engine and pocketbook will suffer the consequences.

$850 for a waterpump change on a 931 would be on the high end, because while they are harder to change on a 931 due to the more complexed plumbing that has to be removed to install the waterpump, you still paying the same $50 for the waterpump that is shared with the 924.

On the otherhand, $850 with the pulleys, rollers, seals, belts, and waterpump on a 924S or 944, would be an exceeding good price when it includes the labor. $850 would be closer to the close of the parts at an authorized Porsche Dealer.

Take someone that knows 924S and 944 cars with you to look at the car, before you pay for a pre-purchase inspection. This is will you eliminate any obvious dogs so you don;t waste money inspecting cars that aren't worth the time. You need someone that knows 924S and 944 cars the experienced guy you consilt with should OWN a nicely maintained 924S or 944, NOT A BEATER. AND Not your buddy that works on Chevys, or your friend that has two or three wrecked 944 cars in his yard rusting because he found them for sale cheap, and thinks he is going to fix them.

leadfoot · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:

Go drive a 924S and a 931... I'm sure you will easily make up your mind after doing this.
Any engine can make high horsepower if you throw enough time and money into it, but driving styles and preferences are so personal I think if you are serious you would want to take these cars out for a spin, you might hate them both and go by a nissan!!
If all you are concerned about is power then there are plenty out there making more horsepower that are cheaper and require less work.
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Helstrm · Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 198 Location: Columbia, SC

You will however have a hard time getting 300-400 hp out of the NA engine unless you turbo it. Then you can double the price. If high HP is what you are looking for look for a 951 (944 Turbo)

I am converting an 87 924s to a turbo now and it is a lot of work and money. In fact every time I turn atround there is some other part I need.

jaxrepo · Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Jacksonville, FL

Hi Ghostcloak: I would ask the seller how much he would take for that $2,500.00 car. If you follow EBAY auctions, as I do, that is what I think it is worth!! I have a comparable 1987 924S (pictured below) that I would take 2,500.00 in a heartbeat. It has been my daily driver for the last 4 months. The odo & title read 92K miles, but the odo has not moved since I registered it 4 months ago. Originally a Georgia car.

Also have a 1986 944 pictured below that I would take $2,900.00 for. Recently sold on EBAY for $2,988.00 but the buyer reneged. More pictures & descriptions at my web site www.jaxrepo.com. Dick.

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Ghostcloak · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 42

Yeah, I saw the 944.... I thought about it, But I'll pm you with questions and such...

Well alrighty then... I'm not going to jump into trying to up the hp in any Porsche I plan on getting, whether its a 924S/931/944. More than likely, I'm going to decide between a 924S and a 944. I've driven two 924S before, and they were both NICE (though they looked like crap, fender bout to fall off, dash had cracks bigger than a plumbers butt, etc...) I love the feel of the car and its performance (especially over the 944) While I have driven a 944 and I can feel a bit more power behind them, they don't seem to perform that much better i would say. So I'm still not sure what to do, But i'll let you guys know what happens

thanks for all your imputs, I'll keep them in mind when I decided if i'm going to go all out and buy this 924S or if I'm going to wait around for a 944...
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Ghostcloak · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 42

OH yeah... I'm porsche all the way... >_> Unless I find a 4th gen. Toyota Supra in excellent condition for like 4-5 grand... I'm gonna stick with porsche :

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D Hook · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3158 Location: Omaha, NE

Ghostcloak · Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 42

Woah... I just got back from the dealership that has the 924S i'm interested in. They have 2 prefectly running 968's. year/price i am not sure. What do you guys know about these? Any personal experiences or advice? How much would one in excellent condition with no major mechanical/cosmetic appearances price at? I have never seen a 968, and so I thought that buying up on one would be pretty rare? What's are pros/cons between the 968 and the 924S?

I know that's alot of questions, but i'm a porsche noob

reading up on old info doesn't really help me much. I'd rather obtain advice and opinions from people who are experienced with these things and know the car's ability in today's day and age. Thank you for all your guys help. I've got one shot at getting a Porsche, and I don't want to short myself on this. At first I wanted a 924 n/a. While I would be very happy with it when i first get it, I know I wouldn't be as enthusastic if it were, lets say a 924S or 944. So I'm trying to find a balance here. I mean, a 924S is really something I'd love, though i wouldn't mind settling down for a 944. However, now that i have this new opportunity for a 968, I would like to know its characteristics and if it fits my style (just describe the car's pros/cons relative to a 924S or a 931 and I'll be able to assess if its for me) the owner of the dealer is out of town, and he's the only one who really knows anything bout that car, the other people there were just off the street mechanics/salesmen.

I'm sorry this is a long ranting post. I just want to get out all my thoughts out clearly! This is quite a big purchase for me.... I'd like to get it right on the first try

THANK YOU ALL!
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Lizard · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject:

ok the 968 would be out of your range as they would be over $20k,
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924guy · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject:

the 968 is a beauty, awesome cars! 3 liter engine, variocam, best of the line (and the end of it) also will cost the most. i think the cheapest ive seen was around 14k for an earlier model recently, questionable history, possibly and accident car.. a 95 cabriolet in nice shape will set you back 25k. still a better deal imho than a new rx8,but not exactly a small investment. when i eventually get one, it will be a coupe in emerald green..

if you go for a 924S, try and find an 88' model, slightly more hp, better suspension, best of the model.. and usually a bargain compared to a 944 (everyone wants those big fenders, keeps the "s" price down a bit.) id go up to 5k for a pristine example... then again, for a bit more you could slide into a 944 turbo, which is a much faster, and more complicated car..

Most dealers dont know jack about porsches, id highly recomend you find one from a private enthusiast who can answer all your questions and provide a verifiable service history. Or at the very least, get the dealer to allow you take the porsche your interested in to an independant shop who know the cars for a pre purchase inspection. contact your regional PCA office for a list of certified tech inspection shops (as in for drivers ed events,) those shops are most likley to know the car the best, as they are approved to do pre event inspections for pca members. if they wont let you have the car independantly inspected, run, dont walk away..repairs on these puppies can easily surpass the purchase price if the cars in need of major attention..
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Khal · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject:

But hey, wanna real rarity? Apparently there were only four 968 Turbo RS's ever made! See if you can find one of them!

Fizgerald Racing Services here in Oz make clones of them.

Dunno what a 968 would cost in the U.S. but I'm guessing it's a helluva lot more than a 924S! Still, they are the ultimate evolution of the humble 924

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