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blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

hi guys i finally bought my fuel pump relay and its the right part but for some reason it will not fit. is it possible to break the pins off in the slots? the last owner did some messed up stuff so im not sure.....oh yeah i have a 1977 924.

CMXXXI · Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 1939 Location: Vicksburg, MS

Are you sure its the right relay, or you are plugging it into the correct seat the correct way? (Sorry, gotta ask...

) There's only one orientation that the relay will fit correctly. If you were to pull the relay seat, you'd find that behind the slots that the relay fits in, it is really just female spade connectors. Highly unlikely that the relay's male "pins" broke off.
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Diesel · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1061 Location: Ellington,CT

Actually, I've seen it before. I had a relay in a parts car that left one of it's pins in the relay board because of a windshield leak that left some rust in the area.

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blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

its the correct part and everything and i know i am trying it in the correct orientation but its just not working. i seem to have a problem with water getting under my dash like diesel said. last owner replaced the relay with a switch so i don't know if he did anything.

Roger · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1235 Location: Cordova, TN

Which slot are you putting it in? Since the previous owner modified the car it could it be possible that you are installing in in the wrong place?
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blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

im trying to put it into the correct spot that the haynes manual labels it as. the 2nd relay i think? he just took out the relay and replaced it with wires and a switch.

blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

ok got the relay in and then i found out my battery is dead. charged the battery for a good 4 hours. i can "crank" it but it won't start. what do you think the problem could be? im stumped now 8-\ if it helps it used to start then one day it just stopped. do you think it could be a lack of fuel or something?

Khal · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:

I think lack of fuel is very likely! I had very similar symptoms some time back and it turned out the fuel pumps had failed.

Even if you can hear the pump running (I could) and there is fuel getting to the filter (mine had), it still doesn't mean that fuel pump is working -or at least working properly.

The only way I know of to test for sure is to fit another "known good" pump or to bench test your current pump (I'm unsure of the exact test procedure but others here can let you know).

On my car, there are two fuel pumps, one "in-tank" pump and one external pump. Both had failed. However, I think the '77 may have had only the external pump? (can anyone verify?)

There are a myriad of other things that might be causing your no-start problem -like, how long's it been sitting? Has the fuel turned to varish? -I'm not saying it's the fuel pump for sure.

But as I found out the other night (thanks Paul), test the simple stuff first! Is it getting fuel, is it getting spark...

A nifty trick Paul used was to disconnect each fuel line from the top of the fuel distributor in turn, and then crank the engine and see if any fuel comes out of the lines (I hadn't seen that done before

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D Hook · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3158 Location: Omaha, NE

Stupid question but there IS fuel in the tank, right?

blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

yeah there i put in a couple gallons before the winter. its getting a spark but im guessing it something with the fuel system. i don't think there was much in there when i first got it and it has probably been in there for atleast 5+ years.

CMXXXI · Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 1939 Location: Vicksburg, MS

Khal · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:40 am Post subject:

I agree with CMXXXI's post above.

But to this;

leadfoot · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure there's a quantitive test in the haynes manual for testing the fuel lines.
Rather than pulling everything apart, do this test. It should give you a indication of where you need to start looking. Yep page 79 of the haynes...
30 sec test should give you 750cc of fuel.
If this works then move onto the distibutor and injectors.... check your spark plugs too at this point, they may be fouled or in bad shape... they will also tell you know if your running too lean or your timings off.
leadfoot

blargonator · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 100 Location: kalamazoo MI

we are just going to try some starter fluid before we rip into anything

but i had another question. can you use 8 amp fuses instead of 5s?

Smoothie · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject:

On what circuit/s do you have 5's? The lowest rated fuse in my car as I recall is 8.
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