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OEM vs. Dansk vs. Bursch

 
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: OEM vs. Dansk vs. Bursch Reply with quote

Similar to my post about shocks/struts, I know I will eventually need to do a cat back replacement on the exhaust. I've read some posts in this forum that suggest that the Dansk product is superior to Bursch...any other opinions? Given that this will be a daily driver for a 16-yr-old, should I save ~$100 and just go with a stock replacement?

Also, I'd be interested on opinions on what to do with the catalytic converter. It doesn't have any leaks, but the surface has started to oxidize. Should I go to the expense of replacing it? Should I leave it alone? How about knocking out the innards? What about just replacing it with a straight pipe to the cat back exhaust?

I'm not worried about it being legal...in two years the car will be a "classic". We don't have emissions testing anymore in MI, and if they ever reinstated them, it's highly doubtful that this car would be required to pass based on its age.

Opinions, please!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, where are you at in MI?

Second, I do like Bilstein for shocks and struts. They are stiff yet forgiving and will not make for an uncomforatable ride for the street. Which if you live in SE MI you know how important forgiveness is with our roads. But in your case, Boge would be more reasonable and of course still a very good shock/strut.

If you are looking for any improvement in performance in the exhaust I would bypass the cat with a $60 pipe and go with a Dask system. Borla would be better since they are stainless steel, but price will factor into that decision.

I do have a nice used exhaust system that I could sell you. It is OEM replacement and in real good shape less the chrome tip. You could easily cut the tip off and replace it for around $30. It is the oval style tip and the system is removed from an '82. If you wanted this setup I could throw in the cat too, which is newer also.

Email me if you want to chat about parts.
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Plymouth, grew up in Pontiac. I actually found this car in Waterford, of all things...maybe you know about it? I'll send you an email...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would feel guilty driving my car without a cat. smog = bad. I would replace the one you have though because I've read that the older a cat is the more restrictive it becomes.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a high flow cat online for about $80.00
Give your son a nice car and clean air.
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Paul  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benino wrote:
I would feel guilty driving my car without a cat. smog = bad.


At the Tampa Porsche Parade a few years back, a Porsche executive, during a presentation, said he ran extensive smog tests on a new 996 turbo somewhere near LA. He claimed that the air coming out the exhaust was cleaner than the air being sucked into the air cleaner!

Patrick Bedard in a issue of Car and Driver stated that a Honda Civic in 100,000 miles pollutes the air less than the one time spilling of one gallon of gasoline on the ground.

Bottom line if you're worried about smog buy a new Porsche since even with your CAT, you're causing a lot more pollution than a new anything, especially if your gas cap or charcoal filter is bad.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: Headers Reply with quote

I have used both headers, And honestly, I didn't see much difference. I felt the Bursch was a better quality myself. As far as how it was put together, even though I had to do some rewelding on both. I opened the exhaust up to 2.5" and use a stainless 944 muffler out back with a straight pipe no cat in the middle. I like the sound and the motor does seem to flow better. We don't have emissions here either. And unless you are really going to go through all the emission parts and replace with new just replacing the cat isn't really going to be that effective. And these cars really don't have a high emissions rating either. Porsche was way ahead of it time with that with all the restrictions the U.S. put on them. There are several books that talk about this history of the 924.
So my opion go for the header and don't run a cat. Just don't use a bees in can sounding muffler like all those little japaness cars do. Good luck
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Roger  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the Bursch and I was never really happy with it. Especially the twin tip tail pipe. I eventually went to a local muffler shop and had a custom exharaust made. It was expensive but the new system is soild.

As for the cat there is no way that yours is currently working. I would just gut the original and replace it. These cars are relitivley clean to begin with. Assuming that a 20 yeer old cat cant possibly be reducing you emmissions and they still pass emmissions these cars must be fairly low poluters to begin with. Removing the cat is illeagal gutting it is also illeagal but much less obvious.
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify, I don't want to get into headers, at least not yet. There is a small exhaust leak immediately after the catalytic converter, so I'm thinking about gutting the cat and replacing everything behind it.

Augidog, where have you seen high-flow cats for $80??? Everything I've seen online is in the range of $300, just for the cat.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a new cat conv. direct bolt on not the universal weld on kind. Also have complete bursch exhaust cat back all the way back to the exhaust tips. All relatively new. Pm me if interested in these items.
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D Hook  



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midas put a generic cat on my '80. I think it was around $129, IIRC.
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