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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

i was just wondering is it possible to paint a car myself if i don't have any paitning experience and i don't have a paint booth or even an enclosed garage.. so i would have to do it outdoor. someone told me if you do it oudoors it will look like total shit for the amount of money you have to put into buying the equipment and paint. okay you can get a decen paitn gun for like 200 bucks and i thought i could just practice painting other thinks to learn how to do it right. Someone also told me to paint an entire car you will need a aircompressor that costs at least 2 grand and 5 grand for a good one... is this true. you can't use one of those 200 dollar air compressors that are like 6 gallons and 150psi? i guess 6 gallons isn't enough? i have no clue.I thought an air compressor and gun would be like 600-800 bucks together and paint like another 300 bucks or whatever it costs and i would also learn how to paint. i don't care if my car isn't perfect but as long as it looks decent and not shitty. i want my car to be black but i heard thats the worst color to paint if you don't know how to paint good plus any dings and scratches will show up. i heard red white and light grey is easiest to paint. My sec choice is the porsche guards red color but i don't know if that would look good on a 924, looks good on 944s.

if anyone has any experience of info please tell me about it.
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Khal · Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject:

Yeah, don't do it outdoors unless you can put up some kind of protective shelter entirely around the car (one of those temporary port-a-shade's with plastic sheeting around the sides or something). Even then it's not the best idea. The problem is all the stuff floating around in the air getting stuck in the paint, not to mention the air itself moving around, which will give you an uneven coat of paint.

Painting is a bit of an art. It's not impossible, but it takes time to learn to do it right. It's not advisable to try it out first time on a car, especially one that you want to sell later!

The gear isn't hugely expensive and once you've got it, you can use it over and over. But all up it'd be comparable to getting the car professionally done (a simple re-paint, at least. A bare-metal re-spray done properly can easily cost thousands)

I think if you plan to sell the car later, it's best to get it professionally done. You can do a lot of the prep work yourself, though. Save you money, and the painter time!

I have no idea how much paint you need for a whole car. And the colour's up to you (I really like silver myself)
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

i'm either going to get a a newer 931 or a 944 by next year don't know which , i like the second series 944 best but i don't knwo if i can afford the maintenance. Plus i don't know if i can find someone to work on the 944 close by i think it would be too much of a hassle to get it to a porsch mechanic everytime something goes wrong which i'm guessing will happen sooner or later on any old car.

the thing i don't like about my 924 isn't just that it is slow but i think the north american verision 924 looks pretty ugly with the ugly ass bumpers adn those round reflectors look stupid.

Does anyone know if it is possible to take those dumb reflectors off and fill it with fiberglass or something? is it legal? i thought there is a reason for the reflectors on the North am 924
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

i'm thinking about getting my car painted probably black, my other ideas are guards red, or a dark shade of red don't kwow what it is called but looks nice or a shade of silver or grey maybe gunmetal.
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wdb · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 2024

it can be done cheaply , but youll have have to study up on whats available ,and any special techniques needed . you could buy an airbrush setup ($200 new, less used ) white paint is cheapest , around $10 - $150 ?. it will just take longer to paint the car ( will have to fill can frequently . then there is boat paint , its formulated to be brushed/rolled on , and dries to a high gloss , but color choice might be limited . primer , paint , and brushes/rollers , just over $200 see pics .

http://www.houseboatsnz.co.nz/images/tutorial/tutorial01/30%20Aug%202003/Hull-Paint_327x480.jpg

http://www.diveworks.org/making%20waves%203.jpg

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID_1=8&ID_2=2085&ID_3=1106&ID_4=1111&CLEV=4&TRACKNO=J7646973842

Sleykin · Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject:

http://www.autobodystore.com/Default.htm
Lots of good info here. Especially on the http://www.autobodystore.com/bodyshop.htm page.
Don't try to fudge around things. You can do acceptable work outdoors but you can't paint a car with a toothbrush. Because of the nature of the new paints you should have a gun that will spray the entire area without refilling it. Stay away from the paints that require exotic breathing aperatus to spray and live. (unless you go the whole hog and get a booth and hood and everything)
Prepwork takes way more time than painting and is just as important to get right as the actual shoot.
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My924gtc · Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1362 Location: 248

Take your car to Maaco and have it painted for less than $400.00. It will yeild a better finish than painting it yourself, especially outdoors.

Do the prep yourself if you want to save more money, but they will not take responsibility for any blemishes if you do.

By the time you buy a an HVLP gun, paint, primer, compressor(if you don't have one already), masks and all the rest you will be well over the cost of having them do the entire car.

Beware that color changes are going to be more costly since they have to do the jambs and sills and such.

If you are just going to sell your car, a cheap paint job will get people to look at it, but anyone with any knowledge will see the difference.

What you can expect from a maaco paint job is as follows.

If you do the prep and are meticulous in getting a proper surface, and you mask it off youself you will get the best finished product. If you do this and take it into them they will primer/seal it, spray it, and remove the masking for around $350.00. That is for a single stage urethane finish.

If you do the same and want a basecoat clear/ coat finish it will be more like $700.00

If you let them do the prep and mask it off you are going to be charged an extra 125-200 for either job.

They will warn you ahead of time that you "may" see a bit of an orange peel finish when completed, and you will. This can sometimes be wet sanded out, and a decent finish can be obtained. Their paint job will not last 25 years or anything either, but long enough to sell it.

We use to have a place in Detroit that would paint an entire car for $99.00 (Earl Schieb) but I think that was like a car wash that sprayed paint instead of water. I'm not sure if they are still in exhistence, but I doubt it.

The best deal you will get from a body shop is around $1200 for BC/CC if you do most of the prep, and they DO a better job than Maaco.

Good luck.

Keep in mind that all Maaco's are independently owned and operated and prices may vary depending on you local economy. There are cheaper paint jobs to be had at Maaco (ie. the "Ambassador" package advertised on TV), but I would go no lower on the chart than the Urethane job mentioned here.
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hyunelan2 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 4 Location: near Chicago, IL USA

CMXXXI · Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 1939 Location: Vicksburg, MS

Removing the round reflectors will leave you with a fairly deep, large, round, "dimple" with a hole in the bottom. The North American cars' sheet metal is stamped that way. If you decide to forego the reflectors, you'll have to prep the area and fill it in (or better yet, weld in a patch) before you have the car painted. Extra work, extra body shop time and $$ if you can't do it yourself.

I don't particularly care for the large round reflectors either, and I'm glad my car doesn't have them. But, for the time, effort and money involved in having the car look right without them, it's probably more trouble than it's worth.
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Joes924Racer · Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject:

Just do the prep get the equipment. You can paint outside do it
when its not windy they do make reducers you mix with the paint for
different weather types cool and warm. Youll need hardener also use more than they ask for for added gloss. Some paints are buff, polish and waxable & some are not. Dupont centari is popular available at autopaint stores. Econo-body from napa has a non waxable over all clearcoat that is really stong get some of that for the bumpers and mirrors and what ever else you dont want to wax. like the sunroof myself I like the swirl marks
over my yellow on the fenders and doors you can see if you look just
its the same on the hood. I did mine with a gallon that was the inside also
as I dont have carpet or rear seats or much anything else except door panels and a dash. Also get a good buffer and some buffing and polishing compound I used 3m buffing compound and 3m polish and my favorite wax later on. It turned out alright. What do bud drinkers say 'Oh yea' you can do it.

goodluck

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Sleykin · Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject:

Well ... this is a "moment"

I find myself in complete agreement with Joe.
But then a fith of tulamore dew will dew that

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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

joe , so its possible to paint outdoors without a shitty looking paintjob. i heard that the dust in the air and wind would ruin it. obviously i would paint on a sunny warm day with no wind.

I don't even know what a reducer and other crap is yet i have to read some shit about painting first before i'm going to do this. if i do it myself

I also want to strip the entire car to metal.... i think the only way will be aircraft paint remover but i heard those chemicals are really nasty... and are dangerous. and re prime it and then respray.

anyone know if a paint gun from canadian tire will be ok? its like 120 bucks canadian.... thats pretty cheap and its a gravity feed gun.

Also what size air compressor will you need to paint an entire car? i heard that you need a big aircrompressor that costs like 2-6 grand....
i thought you could use one of those 6 gal air compressors that cost 200-300 buck but i guess i'm wrong?
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Sleykin · Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject:

$100 aircompressor will paint a car (or10). $2K compressorwill paint 1000 cars. (one or 2 at a time) . You want to go in the business or you want to paint your car?
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Sleykin · Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject:

So ... tell me. How much time did you spend perusing the links that were posted for your information? They really should have answered your original question. Or did you want to drive over here and have me paint your car for you

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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

haha thanks yah lots of people have wrong information. I asked this question on this other forum and this guy told me to paint an entire you you need a 2000 dollar compressor at least and 6 grand for a better one...

no i'm not planning on painting a hundred cars....

heres the link for the compressor and gun at canadian tire

thats the only gravity feed gun at canadian tire others are syphon feed which i heard is total shit for painting a car.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443256948&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=1408474395348043&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303512625&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303512631&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303512636&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303512636&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1096097774747

http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/browse_product.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303512630&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443256948&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1096097801377
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