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Neil924 · Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 4225 Location: Canada

Any tips on how to improve F1?
On Wed. afternon I will post my ideas.
I'm just wondering how many F1 fans we have here.
Your comments can range from
number of points paying positions
qualifing
race/qualifing setup
posting how much fuel you have on board
tires
etc....

kike924 · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:35 am Post subject:

IMHO the best way to improve F1 would be to to make Schumacher drive only with one hand.
Or to make the Ferraris 100 or 200 pounds heavier

Right now their superiority is rather boring
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CBass · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada

Penalizing success defeats the entire purpose of F1, which is to build the fastest car within the formula.

IMO, the only things that can be done are a spending cap, and getting rid of some of the downforce. If the total wing area was reduced, mechanical grip and lower speed passing would become much more important. Less wing, more tire, better racing. Just my 2 cents.

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numbbers · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:

I am a big Shumacher fan, but F1 is usually pretty boaring to watch because Michael dominates so much. What I would like to see, is a formula libre approach. Let the teams use as much technology as they can. No limit on engine size, wheel base, or weight. Just require four wheels, and appropriate safety items.
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Khal · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject:

I've been a fan of F1 since I was a kid. I've always loved the Ferrari's, even when they weren't winning (not that long ago, remember...)
I used to race as a Ferrari playing Grand Prix on the PC when I was younger (an old 286 or XT or something, with 4-colour graphics!), back when the Honda-McLaren's were THE cars to beat... by the way, did you know that Porsche powered the TAG-McLaren team to victory in 1984, with Nikki Lauda (1st) and Alain Prost (2nd) driving?!

I agree with numbbers' sentiment to some extent regarding the rules. It'd be really interesting if there were only basic restrictions on car and engine design...
It's not too bad now, though. Ferrari have just got things sorted better than the others.

There's some drivers to watch out for though. Most of the mid-level team drivers would give Schuey a scare in the right car... Ralph Schumacher, Montoya, Alonso, Trulli, Button, even Webber and others.

Of course, being an Aussie, I'm a fan of Webber and hence Jaguar. But he'll probably go to BMW-Williams next year so I'll be barracking for them!
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Lizard · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject:

why not make it really insteresting, put each car in a different garage, line the drivers up make them pick a garage and whatever car is behind it they must drive for that event, switch the cars and drivers around, and then just to mess them up put a ford pinto into 1 garage

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CBass · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada

You can't remove the formula from F1

Besides, we already did the whole unlimited racing series, it was called CanAm, and if you remember, Porsche killed it

The big problem with Ferrari dominating comes down to the bottom line. Ferrari has more money to spend on developement, and it shows with their lap times. Mclaren and Williams have tried throwing money at F1, but they haven't been able to consistently keep up with the boys from Maranello.

The passing went away when the grooved tires came in, and the underbody of the cars were developed further. Take away some of that high speed downforce, and you take away a large part of the advantage that the top level teams enjoy, that of superior downforce. Give more mechanical grip to the cars, and they'll be able to hold better in the corners where passing is possible, especially under heavy braking.
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Khal · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject:

But again, remember that Ferrari has only been dominant for the last few years. Before Schuey won his third title, for Ferrari (in 2001, I think), Ferrari hadn't won a title for twenty-one years. Just a few years ago, Mercedes-McLaren were wiping the floor with everyone. And Schuey won in '94 and '95 with Benetton. Damon Hill won in '96 and then Villeneuve in '97 for Williams...
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TMB-Racing · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 160 Location: Tacoma,WA

Toyota has the biggest budget-not Ferrari, it was mentioned during the race coverage last weekend. Ferrari has been a year ahead in development with everyone else playing catch up. (Usually the first few races they run their last year's car and still win). As far as everyone else giving Schuey a run if they had the car-they would be running Rubens lap times not Michael's. His fitness, determination, and talent are just that much better than everyone else. Rain is the great equalizer-and who dominates in the rain?
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Khal · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject:

Neil924 · Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 4225 Location: Canada

Khal · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject:

You're right... missed that one! But he did beat Schuey during his ascendancey at Ferrari. So did Damon Hill. And Mika Hakkinen.
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Neil924 · Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 4225 Location: Canada

Khal · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject:

Wait until after the Sepang GP in Malaysia. There was plenty of talk that the teams using Michelin tyres would perform much better in the heat and humidity of Malaysia (it was actually quite cool and dry during the Melbourne race).
I really don't think that Schuey is going to have it all his way this year, despite what the first race results suggest...
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TMB-Racing · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 160 Location: Tacoma,WA

C'mon-the one point seperating Kimmi and Michael showed what a farce the new point system is-You have to admit that. How many wins did Michael have compared to Kimmi? No one watches when the championship is decided with 4,5,6 races left. I am not even a big Ferrari fan-but I have been rooting for Schumacher since his Jordan, and Benetton day's though. Bottom line if Williams had Michael they would have had a world championship the past few years.

PS: After seeing that pig Mercedes came to Australia with do you think Juan is having second thoughts?

Keep the F1 thread rolling-I thought my buddy and I were the only 2 people in the world (or at least the U.S) that watched
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If speed kills, why am I still alive?