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[AznDrgn]

I'm driving home today after work and I'm doing about 50mph on a rd that is 45 and then becomes 35. About a mile into the 35 zone is where I turn onto my street so as usual I just coast at about 45-50mph and go home. Today I'm about 500 feet from my turn and I see a cop coming in the opposite direction, I think to myself no big deal happens all the time even if it did matter by the time he turned around and got a speed on me I'd be down to 35. WRONG!!!! I get pulled over and told that I'm doing 53 in a 35 zone. I obviously play nice with the officer while pretending to be dumb as well but to no avail, I got a ticket for it.

What blows my mind is that I'm a 3rd year physics student at the university here and I have yet to see anything that shows you can clock the speed of a moving vehicle from another moving vehicle with any decent accuracy. Anyone know what they used? I'm trying to dig up as much as I can and goto court with it in hopes that I can figure some way out of this so my insurance won't go up and my parents won't bitch. Hell please do share any info you all have about getting out of speeding tickets, you never know what may be of help to me.
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-'87 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 6" of lift 33" Super Swampers

-'83 Callaway 944 2.5L turbo, 300HP, 1 of 42 ever made

[CBass]

They clock your speed relative to their own, it's pretty accurate assuming you're both traveling in the same plane as eachother. The radar gun has a wheel speed sensor tied into it, IIRC. He pings you, gets a reading of 93mph, and then subtracts the 40mph he was travelling towards you to get the 53mph number. Same way if he's following you, and he clocks you at 8mph when he's going 40, he can add his 40 and get 48mph. It's not 100% accurate, but the margin of error is slight enough that it usually holds up in court...

Sorry to hear it though, that sucks.
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'81 931 in various states of assembly

[Neil924]

Tell us everything you said to him and how long it took.
I once got out of a ticket because I said I was having a colitis attack.
He knew somone with it, so he said "Try not to leave yourself in that position again."

If you didn't give a story already, you can give that one.
And if you're asked why didn't you say it at the time, just say the cop was intimidating you.

[gohim]

Face it, we all speed at times, and sometimes we get caught.

In this case you were caught red handed. Take Traffic School if you are eligible, and if not, just pay the ticket.

Even if you pushed in the clutch pedal, or put the car into Neutral, you car is not going to coast close to a mile and not lose any speed or even gain speed unless you are going downhill.

You deserve the ticket if you were close to 20 miles over the limit. Get over it. If you don't want to take the chance of getting a speeding ticket, don't speed.

[Sleykin]

As I understand it the newer front looking radars use ground clutter to calibrate the speed of the police vehicle. This is supposed to eliminate tangential error and does give much better accuracy. It also opens the door to passive jamming as the interfering jamming reflections cause the radar to "retrain" or reboot making it next to impossible to track your speed if you are running a good ECM module.
At any rate I agree ... you shouldn't be speeding ... especially in a residential area.
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Glenn Neff
Medford, OR
87' 924S

[924guy]

get a court date or an arbitrator meeting and plead "no contest".. if your driving record is clean theyll usually knock it down to a fine with no points, in most places anyhow..... if you go in there trying to play lawyer, theyll eat you alive, and use you for sport....they see it everyday , and know everything thats been tried before..dont become the courts entertainment. dress well, and just tell em you werent paying enough attention, honesty generally gets respect (and lieniency) as theyre used to people disrespecting the court all the time...
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Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
99' VehiCross
Y2K Honda Insight
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[J1NX3D]

i got caught doing 124kph in a 100kph zone in my n/a. i was speeding up to overtake on the overtaking lane and was up to 134kph before i saw him coming the other way and braked.
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'86 944

[wdb]

keeping the speed limit low is a feeble attempt to mitigate the problem of people not paying attention to what thier doing ,whether its driving or crossing the street . its cheaper than putting gaurd rails along every curb ,to keep people and cars apart . theres litarally inches between people and thier death , at the curb ,and nothing to prevent them from stepping into the path of a moving vehicle . the government will inflict serious pain if you break there rules . hold them to the same standard , make them obey there own rules . federal law says that the road you were on has to have been surveyed for the use of radar , because back ground traffic , a highway or cross street can confuse radar , the fed law also say the radar gun must have been tested/calibrated/accurate within the last year , and the officer must have the survey and the test reports with him at the hearing/trial . if he fails to provide this info in court , the case must be dismissed . no chance for a reschedule . if you are convicted of speeding every 2-3 years for twenty years , and you happen to hit a person , you could find yourself serving 10 years in prison for vehicular manslaughter . you showed a pattern of disobeying/disregaurding the speed limit, and as a result , someone died .you knew it was against the law , and dangerous , and you did it anyway , guilty . fight the ticket , the fines are fixed whether you fight it or not , so theres nothing to loose by fighting it . not to mention the laws for driving and insurance could change in the future , and you have past offenses , you have to pay big money , to drive . the $200 you pay a lawyer to fight the ticket , could prove to be a wise discission , few people get a lawyer for a ticket , and the cops are usually not prepared , they rarely are called to testify , and dont bring the required documents . and yes you should slow down where children are likely to be , they do dumb/unexspected things .

[wdb]

http://924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=7783&highlight=radar+speed&sid=3791d0920f959f6bbfd9e0eb2b9e50fa

[Lizard]

do it right, get a lawyer and have them dispute it for you,

they can clock you at any position oncoming or moving away, triagular or otherwise it doesnt matter with any of the guns they have, the only flaw that radar guns have is that there signal could bounce off a reflective road sign and catch someone else,

ALWAYS request to see the #'s on the radar gun! and up here they MUST calibrate the gun before and after every shift, and the calibration tool they use MUST be the one made for the gun at the factory,
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3 928s,

[wdb]

Initially Target 2 echo greater than Target 1 echo, at Ending Range both target echoes equal



OTHER MOVING MODE ABNORMALITIES;
40 mph radar (B) picked-up 37 mph Pinto then lost for several seconds before measuring another car way behind Pinto,
41 mph radar (D) tracked 57 mph truck well behind 35 mph Pinto before tracking Pinto,
41 mph radar (G) picked up 57 mph truck 100 yards (90 meters) behind 33 mph Pinto.

http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp

http://www.worldlawdirect.com/article/903/Fighting_a_speeding_ticket.html

[924guy]

traffic violation is such a big income source down here in south east florida that youd be hard pressed to find messy paperwork, or have an officer not show up for court.. in fact i beleive they penalized for missing a court date.. im sure some municipalities arent so adept at it though... not something id want to risk myself..
personally i really dont see the point in spending a whole bunch of money on lawyers and such unless your already in hot water and have some other negative history .. in most places anyone with a relatively clean license should be able to bargain the fine and "points" down to a non moving violation or similiar.....
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Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
99' VehiCross
Y2K Honda Insight
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[Joes924Racer]

its never good to be in hell and get a ticket.. ha ha. Was your foot still in it
sounds like it was you know you can go to court plea not guilty have atrial with the judge and cop i did it and waon once
it was abot failingto stop for a school bus well thre lights were yellow so i just went thru and know what i won the decision with judge and the cop
i just was able to explain my actions and when the jugde asked the cop what colorthe lights were he said yellow. I was pretty poroud of that moment.
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1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
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