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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thar 'tis - James Taylor Greatest Hits Vol 2.


Sorry 5150 - guessing you wanted it to be Van Halen? I have some of their stuff, but it's not in
the car at the moment. They cause the engine to rev too high between shifts.


Now why more of this white stuff today...isn't it spring yet?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, i thought i was the only one driving the thing in the snow, even at minus 30C
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol.. Don't mention =VH= at the minute with all the rumours that are already flying around about them reforming....

Odd here, it's gone from winter to summer overnight, glorious sunshine today and we've been up all the coastal routes.. been a real nice day to simply drive with no-where in particular as the destination..
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you can see from my heater control that we're back to springtime here, but it's supposed to drop to about 20F degrees tonight.

Hey, I thought I was kidding when I said I'd use a hair dryer in the car to see the stereo's display, but apparently not. It comes back and displays perfectly with the heat. I gotta guess some pieces got themselves delaminated in the LCD and the heat squishes them back together.




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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LCD == Short for liquid crystal display, a type of display used in digital watches and many portable computers. LCD displays utilize two sheets of polarizing material with a liquid crystal solution between them. An electric current passed through the liquid causes the crystals to align so that light cannot pass through them. Each crystal, therefore, is like a shutter, either allowing light to pass through or blocking the light.
Monochrome LCD images usually appear as blue or dark gray images on top of a grayish-white background. Color LCD displays use two basic techniques for producing color: Passive matrix is the less expensive of the two technologies. The other technology, called thin film transistor (TFT) or active-matrix, produces color images that are as sharp as traditional CRT displays, but the technology is expensive. Recent passive-matrix displays using new CSTN and DSTN technologies produce sharp colors rivaling active-matrix displays.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Min, Finbarr, anyone else that happens to know.. Are there any laptops made with screens that are readable in full daylight? My laptop has an active matrix and disappears completely outdoors, but I can still read my watch and a boats' fishfinder, so it must be possible to make a front-lit laptop screen. Anybody know who makes them? Monochrome would be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey, I thought that was going to be our little secret!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoothie wrote:
Hey Min, Finbarr, anyone else that happens to know.. Are there any laptops made with screens that are readable in full daylight? My laptop has an active matrix and disappears completely outdoors, but I can still read my watch and a boats' fishfinder, so it must be possible to make a front-lit laptop screen. Anybody know who makes them? Monochrome would be fine.


I know they are around, one of the guys who deals with our store has a few bright lcd displays that he uses to display photographs to customers in full daylight. I don't know if any laptops come with displays that good yet, but I expect they do ... just gotta pay the money for it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Min wrote:
Smoothie wrote:
Hey Min, Finbarr, anyone else that happens to know.. Are there any laptops made with screens that are readable in full daylight? My laptop has an active matrix and disappears completely outdoors, but I can still read my watch and a boats' fishfinder, so it must be possible to make a front-lit laptop screen. Anybody know who makes them? Monochrome would be fine.


I know they are around, one of the guys who deals with our store has a few bright lcd displays that he uses to display photographs to customers in full daylight. I don't know if any laptops come with displays that good yet, but I expect they do ... just gotta pay the money for it.

Min

Well I have seen many many LCD screens in my short time on earth, and I can tell ya that the issue isn't the screen itself, it's the cheap backlights that most companies use. See, LCD screens are actually produced by a small number of manufacturers in the Pacific Rim, and in order to keep costs down, they use sufficient but not exemplary backlights.
There are 2 ways to make a backlight brighter; one is to change the voltage or frequency of the AC power coming into the Cold Cathode tube from the inverter, but this is not likely in some cases as the notebooks have usually been engineered to physically accept only a specific type of inverter. The other option is to put better cold cathode tubes into the display assembly. It can be done, but it is difficult, and unless you know a LOT about LCDs, you may fry your LCD screen completely.

But, just for kicks, try reading your manual to see if there are hotkeys that will increase the brightness of your screen
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

or you can just get a bright enough lcd in the first place .... the ones they manfactor these days are fairly good ... though I've noticed the quality varies greatly depending on the type.... talking about low end lcd's ...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read there are 3 types of lcd as far as lighting is concerned. Obviously the active matrix in my laptop pc is backlit. Yes, I have tried turning up the brightness all the way, but it still doesn't come close to competing with the sun. Another type is a combination front and back lit, while the third is front lit. They're called something like transflective, reflective and transmissive? (I don't know, I probably just invented a couple new words there.) I really don't think a backlit version could be made bright enough to come through in sunlight though. LCD's in wristwatches and fishfinders are pretty obviously front lit or "reflective" -or maybe they're actually "transflective"? - because they have the backlight for reading at night.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something. A search on lcd transflective brings up a bunch of stuff. -
http://www.perfectlcd.com/FAQ_LCD_design_polarizer_mode.htm

http://www.horizontechnology.com/product_advdisp.html

This one I have to click stop (X) in IE as soon as the page loads or else it jumps to another page -
http://www.ebns.com/digest/story/OEG20010523S0077
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with using laptop displays in daylight is really the amount of light that gets reflected off the front of the screen, which swamps the light coming through it from the backlight - which is relatively dim on a laptop in order to save battery power. The TFTs for use on desktops have the advantage of being able to rely on mains power all the time and can therefore have much more powerful backlights.

I haven't seen a reflective or transflective screen on a laptop since the very early days of Amstrad portables, which I think may have had some - but the chances of any surviving to this day are pretty remote as they were cheap and nasty machines ten years ago.

Best thing I can suggest is to try a polarising filter in front of the laptop screen - I've used them (although it was a few years ago) in an office environment to cut down reflected light on a normal monitor and they're not bad. Find a shop that has one and give it a go?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, in those links above they mention some new reflective and transflective color lcd screens that have been put on the market more recently. They're in some of the current "ruggedized" laptops, but those are pretty expensive. That's why I'd have gone for a monochrome version, but don't really need to upgrade to a new pc and I haven't won the lottery lately so an anti-glare screen should do for now.

There are some screen covers available that limit the screens' angle of view to straight ahead for security reasons, but at the same time, if they work the way I think they do, they should reduce glare and be real good for blocking ambient light as well.
3M screen <click>

http://www.dartek.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Edpno=709589&Sku=T350-1101&CatId=165

Thanks.
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