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Last Triumph
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 123 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| brian19600 wrote: | | I think at this point, I will join the rest and say, drive it for a while. Maybe the problem will worsen or will get better. You've done a lot to it. Get some miles on it. Driving it for a while may give you further perspective. |
A perspective that I want to set fire to it?
Joking aside, as a last ditch attempt, I'm going to pull the inlet manifold, just in case there is a failed gasket. I know I've done a smoke test and sprayed everything with enough flammable liquids and sprays to get a Saturn V off the launch pad, but so much points to an air leak that heals as things expand when warm - it will at least satisfy that little annoying itch.
After that, I'll continue with the resto and then as you say, drive the t1ts off it for a while. |
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Last Triumph
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 123 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I'm still trying to find the cause of my poor running when cold and having changed and replaced pretty much everything in the entire system now, including the inlet manifold gasket this afternoon, I suddenly noticed that the exhaust was leaking a little - when I say a little, enough to keep it running with the tailpipe completely sealed off!
I need to trace the leak but in the dark with a torch the source of the leak was not conclusive, so I'll have a better look tomorrow - but it got me thinking...
Could leaking manifold to head gaskets cause poor running when cold that gets better as things heat up and expand and perhaps seal a gap?
I'm probably clutching at straws, but thought I;d ask if anyone has experienced this before regarding running issues related to exhaust gaskets issues?
If it does turn out to be manifold to head gaskets that are leaking - are there any tips to getting the manifold off - I can already see issues gaining access to the lower row of bolts 'under' the manifold. I assume it's alternator off and a scraped knuckles and forearm? |
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Last Triumph
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 123 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Found the leak - it's at the joint between the manifold and down pipe and is substantial.
I have already replaced the gasket and made sure the old gasket had been fully removed and that the sealing surface of both parts were smooth.
I just cleaned everything up again and re-made the joint being careful to torque the bolts down evenly and tightly, using copper grease on the nuts to ensure a smooth and bind free tightening sequence.
Fired it up, still leaking, jut in a different place and just as badly.
I didn't use exhaust paste as I shouldn't really need to, plus the area between the hole and the outside edge is so thin, I suspect it'd blow through in no time anyway.
Any clues? |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Cant remember how the NA looks there, but should it have a crush ring of some sort? if not, properly torqued the nuts? _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
https://www.the924.com |
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Last Triumph
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 123 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Just thought I'd bring this one to a close having now finally cured it.
I can't honestly say it was one thing in particular, more just a series of incremental improvements that made a difference in the end.
Interestingly, curing an exhaust manifold gasket leak made a fair bit of difference.
Replacing the inlet manifold gasket also made a difference.
The final change was that I adjusted the AAV so in the cold position it was a little more open than it had been previously. It took some experimentation to get right but I've had it though several heat cycles and it's now settled where I want it.
The water pump bearings were goosed, so with that replaced and the exhaust manifold leak corrected, it's now much quieter and smoother sounding.
If fires up from cold instantly, settles to an idle speed of 1,000 rpm before falling back to about 950 rpm when fully warmed up.
Here's a stone cold start to demonstrate....
http://www.volkszone.co.uk/VZi/showthread.php?p=15838073&posted=1#post15838073
I'm calling that fixed. |
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brian19600

Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Posts: 375 Location: NJ/CT
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Nice! The 16 pages have been an enjoyable and informative read. _________________ 78 924 |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations! What a saga! What determination! _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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peterld
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 984 Location: Noosa Heads QLD Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo Sir! I salute your tenacity. _________________ 80/81 932/8 ROW |
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