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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cédric wrote:


BTW, I need to borrow a bone stock cylinder head, i might have the possibility to run it in the flow bench at work after work hours. Would be really interesting to do some work on the head here with people do it professionally. I need to ask around among the swedish 931 guys...



I have a rack full of stripped ,stock 931 heads. Shipping might be a bit stiff but you are free to borrow one if you'd like.




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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cedric, many thanks for your response,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The valve seats were definitely hard, sliced thru them with a mini grinder cutoff wheel, then took to the bandsaw. I think the valve seat leaded fuel issue was primarily for the use of unleaded fuel in cast iron heads with no seat inserts, JMHO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see any ideas on improving the flow in the 931 head as I would like to use on on my track car. The exhaust side is much better than the NA exhaust due to the larger valve and port volume. With out looking at my data at least 15% greater with numbers similar to the stock NA intake or 140cfm range. The 931 port shape is difficult to improve as the offset kidney shape is better than a round port for a NA application as it directs the airflow toward the center of the cylinder rather than toward the cylinder wall with its valve shrouding. With a pressurized intake I thank all the old literature which concentrated on NA applications can get thrown out the window although I may well be wrong about that. 6 or 7 psi thru the entire valve cycle compared with a variable negative pressure from 0 to minus 2psi is like comparing apples to oranges.

One of the local racers and a well respected Datsun motor builder who has a flow bench told me that on a NA head like ours and apparently the Datsun 240Z type with rather poor head designs with tight radius ports the problem is more often exhaust restriction more than intake flow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeJinCO wrote:
the problem is more often exhaust restriction more than intake flow.

That is not consistent with the findings from our paid research.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
MikeJinCO wrote:
the problem is more often exhaust restriction more than intake flow.

That is not consistent with the findings from our paid research.



+1

Maybe on the Datsun head, but most certainly not on the Porsche heads we are used to work with. Rather the opposite IMHO.

You can´t have too much intake flow, but definitely too much exhaustflow. It is all about the flow balance during overlap aka "the scavenge cycle".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'm not totally sure I'll buy that. I'll just continue on with what I'm doing and I'll see how it turns out.
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