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[quote="morghen"]Interesting video...quite interesting what is said at the end by an older more respectful muslim guy.
Giving the fact that most attackers are young people and they all seem to know what's best for everybody, i'd say that i have seen this phenomenon everywhere in adolescence...young guys with no respect..taking stuff for granted thinking they should change the world as they want.
From what I've read, the young people turning to ISIS, have lost their 'youth' so to speak, from endless bombing turning into lack of opportunities, etc. Lack of respect is probably way down the list. Think of Iraq, from the start of the war to just ending, what is there to do for these young people during that time and after? Not condoning this behavior in anyway of course~!
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morghen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Thats right..but a large percentage of the attackers in europe are not guys born in Syria, Iraq or some nearby country...these attackers are born, raised and some even educated here in europe...whats the deal with those?
Young ones are even more religious than their parents.
Thanks to that religion, they dont integrate AT ALL...if they would put it to the side just a bit i bet they would integrate just fine like the indians do and the chinese do...and so many others do.
Truth is they are hypocrites as they use and abuse the western knowledge, system and everything good that the liberal west has to offer but they plunge into their teenager supidity mode, killing in the name of an ideology they think will work because it makes sense in their little inexperienced heads.
The problem lies in the liberal system..that is too liberal and aiming for mullticulturalism in a way that wont work...trusting the people too much within its borders AND BEYOND. The people have too much freedom and too much power...and those with sick heads can abuse the lack of control the system has on them.
EDIT: its a long read, but well worth your time.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: |
Personally, I find it enlightening to see others' perspectives from around the world. Given our common interest here, it's very interesting to see how differently or similarly we think on such matters. I enjoy that and feel that it makes me a better person for considering a perspective that I might not have otherwise encountered.
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Absolutely, and most interestingly IMO the the pattern of thought differs widely from one world "zone" to another..
Eastern Europe: Don't let them in, care little about being PC.
EU: Oh we feel so bad for them its not there fault lets give them free stuff. (In line with there liberal media's propaganda)
North America: Mixed opinions mostly between the sheep that eat up all of our liberal media's propaganda, and those that have the ability to constructively think for themselves.
What is most concerning to me is the position that many of the world leaders are taking on the subject specifically those of the EU and the Americas. I cannot help but think they have some ulterior motive behind the fact that they want to risk peaceful civilized lives of the west for what? To be self righteous? I think not..
Here in the USA, though we are the biggest target of these evil terrorists, I feel we have the least to worry about by letting "refugees" in.
| alordofchaos wrote: | fast_eddie pointed out in another thread - there are twice as many concealed weapon permits in MI (629,000) as there are ISIS fighters in all of the ME
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They don't stand a chance other than there cowardly sneak attacks that also have a much greater chance of being thwarted here amongst those of us that have the means to defend themselves. Apart from our sporadic "gun free zones" we are in pretty good shape to handle these murderous bastards.
The way I understand it, basically all of the EU is one big "gun free zone" and they want to let them all in. In my mind this is insanity.
Those of you in areas where you have no means to protect yourselves I am terrified for you, you are sitting ducks.
In the comparison I made elsewhere the numbers were something like, 629,000 concealed carry permits in MI, 19,000 armed police in MI, compared to most police in the UK not even carrying a wepen, something like only 10,000 armed police in all of the UK.
There anti-terrorist response times will be laughable and is it almost free range open season for any terrorist to just walk out and start picking people off, there is no one to stop them.
You guys are so screwed, I feel so bad for you, but it seems most of the opinions from these places want "refugees" in and don't want guns. Thoroughly brainwashed..
I am extremely grateful to be where I am in times like these, I am not afraid for I am not vulnerable like so many others are.
Open your eyes. Open your minds.
Look at what is really gong on in the world, not just what is going on on the "news"..
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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It is insanity to let them all in...but since the eu population is not armed and most of the non liberals are old or powerless the population has no control over who enters their country...as proven...amongst the guys just fleening a shitty situation in Syria are the guys looking to create shitty situations in europe as well.
So yea..it is insanity to let them in like that....and its consentual allowing by our governments that some of us will be killed or injured by extremist attacks.
At the same time there is the situation that all our governments have poked the bee's nest in that area...so partially our govs are to blame for the situation. They should have just stayed away and let these guys deal with their own problems internally...if they want to kill themselves let them...thats how we did it and that made us evolve hundreds of years ago.
So our govs feel the need to aid them for messing with them. Whats this got to do with the average european citizen...? nothing...we're the suckers...just as they are.
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More guns doesn't solve anything! Only law enforcement should carry guns.
The problem is that it's to easy to obtain guns illegaly. More control has to be implemented somehow.
In Sweden the police sometimes arrange gun amnesty. It has been a success with people turning in lots of guns!
But to control homemade bombs that the terrorist produce is practically impossible!
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I think what is interesting about statistics like these is that they don't take into account the locations of high mortality rate.
Gun ownership in the US is vastly higher per capita in non-population dense areas--namely in areas in the countryside where every family has at least one gun. In these areas, however, the violent crime rate committed with firearms is lower per capita. In areas of high population density, places like Chicago and New York, gun ownership is lower per capita because many people do not own firearms, but the crime rate committed with firearms is significantly higher.
I guess what I am getting at is I don't think the problem is firearm ownership, but rather, the problem is that we live in a society of decreasing moral values. The issue is far more complex than politicians make it out to be. |
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How can you say the US is to blame for the mess in the Middle East. That place has been a mess since the beginning of the Ottoman Empire back in 1299. The United States is only 239 years old. Do the math.
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| michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | How can you say the US is to blame for the mess in the Middle East. That place has been a mess since the beginning of the Ottoman Empire back in 1299. The United States is only 239 years old. Do the math. |
Correct. It's always been a mess and almost unmanageable for hundreds of years. In the whole driven by religious beliefs in conflict with each other. Whilst people are driven by their own beliefs, then there will be conflicts between them. Since WW2 the US has positioned itself firmly as the dominating political power and ultimately the Worlds Police Force. In addition to this your appetite for oil consumption and the money from oil has been driving force to ME agreements and interventions. Add to his hat the US has a high percentage of military contractors and weapons manufacturing in most states employing a lot of personnel. This is an unsustainable industry without conflicts and wars. It can be argued that some conflicts are artificially escalated to maintain these industries and the continued lucrative contracts. The 'terrorists' aren't uneducated rag heads living in dusty caves. They are often West educated. The organisers often US educated. Are the issues it all the US or UK or UN's fault? No, the shared West are all having to burden some blame, some Countries more than others.
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | the shared West are all having to burden some blame, some Countries more than others. |
You know...i've been thinking about this...what do you owe to the people in that area? What is your blame? What is the blame of all citizens of Europe or even US...that wake up in the morning, go to work and want to have a peaceful life? Have any of us ever said..yea...mess with these people? No...we are not to blame! To blame are the leaders who carry these campaigns without the knowledge and approval of at least the majority of the citizens.
I never knew some "countries" and i say that in "" because a country is the sum of its people...not some politicians commanding military resources...so i never knew some "countries" are involved it stirring up shit over there. If i knew, i would have said thats none of our business and so would have anyone else with a sane mind.
So these guys are somehow taking revenge on the innocent people of Europe..and US...for the deeds commanded silently by some politic parties.
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| michaelodonnell123 wrote: |
It has everything to do with refugees. This has been a problem for thousands of years now. Way before the USA was even a country. |
True. Ask Ask a Native American how that went for them. ( if you can still find one)
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| michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | How can you say the US is to blame for the mess in the Middle East. That place has been a mess since the beginning of the Ottoman Empire back in 1299. The United States is only 239 years old. Do the math. |
So, you're saying the US has no blame at all in the Middle East?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| michealodonnell123 wrote: | | Read your history books |
| michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Do the math. |
Dude you give way too much homework. And for the record, I went to summer school for math but I did hang out with some cute (albeit math deficient) chicks. 
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You want to place blame? I concur with this journalist, and many of us Americans are embarrassed and frustrated with the policies of this and previous administrations that contributed to the mess. So please, don't blame "Americans" or "America". Feel free to blame the Administration. There is a difference.
| Walter Russell Mead wrote: | | No one, other than the Butcher Assad and the unspeakable al-Baghdadi, is as responsible for the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria as is President Obama. No one has committed more sins of omission, no one has so ruthlessly sacrificed the well-being of Syria's people for his own ends, as the man in the White House. In all the world, only President Obama had the ability to do anything significant to prevent this catastrophe; in all the world no one turned his back so coldly and resolutely on the suffering Syrians as the man who sits in the White House today -- a man who is now lecturing his fellow citizens on what he insists is their moral inferiority before his own high self-esteem. |
Read more: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/11/17/president-obamas-cynical-refugee-ploy/
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