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ideola
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It's God's fault! It's religion's fault! It's the U.S.'s fault! It's NATO's fault! It's Assad's fault! It's the Zionist's fault!
BULLS@&#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the fault of Evil Men who will stop at no end to advance their political agenda, in this case, under the guise of religious fervor. IT DOESN'T MATTER what the US, UK, France or any of the "allies" do. You appease them, they tattack. You attack them, they attack back. It doesn't matter.
Fault is not the issue. Evil is.
The question becomes, and where we as global citizens seldom agree, is what obligation do good men have to stop evil men from perpetrating pain and suffering?
And if you could ever arrive at consensus there, you then have the conundrum of agreeing as to how to fulfill that obligation.
We're not going to agree, and it's pointless to assign blame. All we can do is the best we know how (as misguided as it may frequently be) to stop Evil Men.
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And all of this has to do with cars how....?
Feel horrible for those that were killed in France, YES, absolutely. Bend off into a geopolitical discussion on politics, religion and race ?, NO.
Wrong forum fellas.
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michaelodonnell123
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Carrera RSR wrote: | Nothing to do with refugees, Greece or Italy. It has everything to do with retaliation from continued US air strikes in Syria and the death of Jihady John on Thursday. Something the news is not reporting on. Purely inciting more hatred towards the Middle East and Syria and similar, so more air strikes will be government sanctioned across Europe with full public agreement. Here comes another Iraq and Afganistan situation. Say goodbye to our troops again on their new deployment in Syria.
Oh, and if you believe in any version of God then you may want to take a look http://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo |
It has everything to do with refugees. This has been a problem for thousands of years now. Way before the USA was even a country. Read your history books. The death of Jihady John is not even a blip on the map for them. |
Please elaborate why its the fault of the refugees? I must be missing something |
First, there is a big difference between being a refugee and not standing your ground to fight for your land. There are 750,000 people running from their countries and there are 30,000 members of Isis. They are supposed to stay and fight for their land - not run away. Many other countries have done this and won. England didn't run away when Hitler was knocking on their door. They stood up and fought. That is why this is their fault, they are not standing their ground. The second issue is risk. Since we can no longer identify who is a potential terrorist or not, we have to side with our safety first and not let them in. The risk is way to high. Read your history books on which countries successfully fought for their land and freedom and did not run away. You might be surprised.
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ideola
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | Bend off into a geopolitical discussion on politics, religion and race ?, NO.
Wrong forum fellas. |
I wasn't aware there were any such rules here. Not to be snarky, but IMO this fits squarely in the category, if you don't like the programming, change the channel.
Personally, I find it enlightening to see others' perspectives from around the world. Given our common interest here, it's very interesting to see how differently or similarly we think on such matters. I enjoy that and feel that it makes me a better person for considering a perspective that I might not have otherwise encountered.
A post from earlier today that I shared in another venue on this topic:
| Quote: | Why must every discussion be cast in polarizing terms?!?! Have we lost our ability to have meaningful discourse and dialog about how to solve Really Difficult Problems?!
Common Sense ≠ fear. Practical Reality ≠ bigotry. Compassion ≠ stupidity.
Common Sense dictates that before we agree to accept "refugees" we ought to ensure we have proper resources aligned to thoroughly vet and subsequently integrate those "refugees" as AMERICANS into AMERICAN society.
Practical Reality dictates that we have a Long Term Plan to deal with the refugee crisis. Indiscrimately dumping refugees and burdening the States (i.e. YOU and ME) to fund their care and feeding is RECKLESS.
Compassion dictates that we evaluate the long term needs for housing, feeding, educating, and employing these people, not just dumping them on the shores of a metaphorical Ellis Island and expecting them to swim to the mainland on their own.
Many of us are alarmed at current policy, not because we are heartless bigots who have no compassion. It is because current policy is RECKLESS, and indeed, will perpetrate yet more injustice upon those poor people.
We need a Reasoned approach, not a Reckless one. We need Compassion tempered by Caution. |
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michaelodonnell123
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Kenodog wrote: | Bend off into a geopolitical discussion on politics, religion and race ?, NO.
Wrong forum fellas. |
I wasn't aware there were any such rules here. Not to be snarky, but IMO this fits squarely in the category, if you don't like the programming, change the channel.
Personally, I find it enlightening to see others' perspectives from around the world. Given our common interest here, it's very interesting to see how differently or similarly we think on such matters. I enjoy that and feel that it makes me a better person for considering a perspective that I might not have otherwise encountered.
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I agree with Ideola. Nothing wrong with a discussion about the current events.
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Kenodog
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Sure, makes great sense if you know for a fact that everyone in the forum is using "A reasoned approach, not a reckless (or emotional) one."
Unfortunately not all of the people here will hold back emotions, religious beliefs, racial pride or maybe even reason. Then it just turns into a shit show of 'My side vs. Your side' etc. and things can get ugly. Want a political / religious / racial forum to sound off on then go to the BBC or Al Jazeera or CNN, that is exactly the forum for those debates (depending on your point of view).
I love the multi national aspect of this 'Board, always have, but I have been taught that politics and religion have no place in polite public conversation, especially if you don't know the other participants intimately well, because sooner or later your personal opinions WILL get someone else's back up and then things generally take a turn south.
As far as 'Change the channel if you don't like what's on'...Really ? Please see paragraph 2 above, I was always under the assumption this was a forum about cars...like the original title of this thread before it got hijacked.
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michaelodonnell123
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | Sure, makes great sense if you know for a fact that everyone in the forum is using "A reasoned approach, not a reckless (or emotional) one."
Unfortunately not all of the people here will hold back emotions, religious beliefs, racial pride or maybe even reason. Then it just turns into a shit show of 'My side vs. Your side' etc. and things can get ugly. Want a political / religious / racial forum to sound off on then go to the BBC or Al Jazeera or CNN, that is exactly the forum for those debates (depending on your point of view).
I love the multi national aspect of this 'Board, always have, but I have been taught that politics and religion have no place in polite public conversation, especially if you don't know the other participants intimately well, because sooner or later your personal opinions WILL get someone else's back up and then things generally take a turn south.
As far as 'Change the channel if you don't like what's on'...Really ? Please see paragraph 2 above, I was always under the assumption this was a forum about cars...like the original title of this thread before it got hijacked.
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BBC or Al Jazeera or CNN aren't forums, they are media companies. Why not simply make a section on the site called Politics 'enter at your own risk' Then folks can decide if they want to participate in that section or not.
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Grenadiers
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I think that the Pelican forum for these types of discussions are more appropriate. The name-calling there is by far the worst I've read, I don't go there. I prefer this forum as car-only with the occasional off-topic subjects, relating to cars, vacations, etc.
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Tanso
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Here in sweden lots of immigrants leaves to fight for ISIS even though they get free housing and support. Cant understand it 
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Carrera RSR
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Carrera RSR wrote: | | michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Carrera RSR wrote: | Nothing to do with refugees, Greece or Italy. It has everything to do with retaliation from continued US air strikes in Syria and the death of Jihady John on Thursday. Something the news is not reporting on. Purely inciting more hatred towards the Middle East and Syria and similar, so more air strikes will be government sanctioned across Europe with full public agreement. Here comes another Iraq and Afganistan situation. Say goodbye to our troops again on their new deployment in Syria.
Oh, and if you believe in any version of God then you may want to take a look http://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo |
It has everything to do with refugees. This has been a problem for thousands of years now. Way before the USA was even a country. Read your history books. The death of Jihady John is not even a blip on the map for them. |
Please elaborate why its the fault of the refugees? I must be missing something |
First, there is a big difference between being a refugee and not standing your ground to fight for your land. There are 750,000 people running from their countries and there are 30,000 members of Isis. They are supposed to stay and fight for their land - not run away. Many other countries have done this and won. England didn't run away when Hitler was knocking on their door. They stood up and fought. That is why this is their fault, they are not standing their ground. The second issue is risk. Since we can no longer identify who is a potential terrorist or not, we have to side with our safety first and not let them in. The risk is way to high. Read your history books on which countries successfully fought for their land and freedom and did not run away. You might be surprised. |
which countries are you talking about here?
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Carrera RSR
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| Tanso wrote: | | Here in sweden lots of immigrants leaves to fight for ISIS even though they get free housing and support. Cant understand it |
I'm in Sweden right now with delegates from all over the globe. It's real interesting to hear people's opinion from all countries. I have my own opinion but I'm more interested in others where this might end. It's quite scary what I'm reading on the Internet and watching right now on CNN in the hotel.
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Interesting video...quite interesting what is said at the end by an older more respectful muslim guy.
Giving the fact that most attackers are young people and they all seem to know what's best for everybody, i'd say that i have seen this phenomenon everywhere in adolescence...young guys with no respect..taking stuff for granted thinking they should change the world as they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTp18arMLFc
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Carrera RSR wrote: | | michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | Carrera RSR wrote: | Nothing to do with refugees, Greece or Italy. It has everything to do with retaliation from continued US air strikes in Syria and the death of Jihady John on Thursday. Something the news is not reporting on. Purely inciting more hatred towards the Middle East and Syria and similar, so more air strikes will be government sanctioned across Europe with full public agreement. Here comes another Iraq and Afganistan situation. Say goodbye to our troops again on their new deployment in Syria.
Oh, and if you believe in any version of God then you may want to take a look http://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo |
It has everything to do with refugees. This has been a problem for thousands of years now. Way before the USA was even a country. Read your history books. The death of Jihady John is not even a blip on the map for them. |
Please elaborate why its the fault of the refugees? I must be missing something |
First, there is a big difference between being a refugee and not standing your ground to fight for your land. There are 750,000 people running from their countries and there are 30,000 members of Isis. They are supposed to stay and fight for their land - not run away. Many other countries have done this and won. England didn't run away when Hitler was knocking on their door. They stood up and fought. That is why this is their fault, they are not standing their ground. The second issue is risk. Since we can no longer identify who is a potential terrorist or not, we have to side with our safety first and not let them in. The risk is way to high. Read your history books on which countries successfully fought for their land and freedom and did not run away. You might be surprised. |
which countries are you talking about here? |
Read your history books- all the answers are there.
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