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[Knz]

A couple weeks ago I dropped by a local bike shop that had 3 944s and a 924 n/a parked out front in varying degrees of disuse.. I went in looking to buy some suspension parts for the '80 931 I'm working on and walked out with a new friend.

The owner of the Porsche's is a 924 fanataic as much as we all are, so he's letting me pull as many parts as I can off one of the 944s he had tucked away in back that is pretty much just a shell.

Yesterday before I left, he offered to give me 2 more of the 944s, he just wanted them off his hands. He has 3 I can choose from, an '84 that was rear ended but mostly complete, an '85.5 auto thats complete but the inside is shot, and an '87 that has some front end damage and no trans..

I'm toying with the idea of taking the '84's trans and putting it into the '87, then swapping over all the components to make the '84s ODO work in the '87...

Fortunately I have a place where I can put them while I work on them, unfortunately its a grass/ dirt area next to the barn and not inside...

The question is, should I do it? I'm already working on bringing back my '80 931...
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[Fasteddie313]

Deleat
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80 Turbo - Slightly Modified

[Grenadiers]

Wow, nice well thought-out response Fast Eddie. I have two of the cars you are interested in, a 1980 turbo CGT clone, two '88 924S cars, and also have a mint '89 944 turbo. I disagree with Eddie though on spending enough money on a 931 to beat a 951 on the track. Won't happen, unless you are in GTS or GTR territory.

When I tracked my 944T on the track last winter, in Arizona, I was 20mph faster on the straights than my track-only 944 Spec 924S. That's a big deal, however, even though I have the M030 package on the 944T, the 924S spec car could beat it in the corners. I couldn't keep up with a track-only 944 turbo I was following. Of course, he could have been a better driver~!

With that said, I think about abandoning the 2.0L in favor of the 2.5L. My CGT car is stripped of everything, and is really fast. And yes, faster than a stock 944, but not the 944 turbo. My recommendation is to do both. The 2.5L engine is more complicated, but once you tear into it, not so much.
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'83 944 Track car.
'88 924S Track car.
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2012 Jeep Wrangler
2014 Kia Soul
2001 Ford F350 powerstroke

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[nickthompson]

I know it's an unpopular opinion around here considering this is the 924board, but the 2.0 sucks.

[Fasteddie313]

Deleat
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80 Turbo - Slightly Modified

[Rasta Monsta]

[Fasteddie313]

Deleat
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80 Turbo - Slightly Modified

[Rasta Monsta]

Go for it. Just be aware that $100 in chips will get a late 951 very close to 300hp. You're underestimating the platform.

Also I would strongly encourage a leakdown on your car to ensure you don't have broken rings before you go nuts with bolt on mods.
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• WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3

[Fasteddie313]

Out of respect for the board I will remove my pro 924 opinions and not argue..
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80 Turbo - Slightly Modified

[fiat22turbo]

Um, my 951S had 350hp (with the 60mm ball bearing turbo it had room for 4-450hp) 18" wheels with huge amounts of rubber (that you simply can't fit under the 924). Oh and you know what else it had? Enough cooling capacity and thermal management to produce that power all damned day.

Finally it had something else very important: Torque. The 2.0L simply doesn't produce the torque a 2.5L can. Period.

Even Audi ditched the 2.0L shortly after Porache (and AMC) started using it and they moved to the 5 & 6-cylinder engines built on similar structure.
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Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)

[SlayerSST]

[Rasta Monsta]

[morghen]

The 2.5 is a great platform. Easy power from the 951...buy the car, pay 100 for the software and 5 minutes later you're suddenly cool. I'm tempted by that myself.

The US market 924s suffer greatly from slowness...i dont know what was in their minds selling such power decreased cars in a power hungry market.
The 931 is obviously no different...so compared to the 951 it is slow.

But like others have proven and said, the 2L platform is not too far behind. It just needs a bit more stuff to perform as it was designed NOT to perform..especially for the US market.

All i hear from US guys is how many(expensive) modified things they have put in their 924s and they still dont get the power they want...while that is true...another maybe hurting truth is that thats what happens when you dont really know what you're doing.

All i have done to enhance the power of my 924 turbo is to add an intercooler and upp the boost in the first stage. That probably got me above the 200HP mark. Then i also did a "chip tuning" by investing in a ECU that runs much more advance than the normal 924 turbo one and upgraded the turbo. An S1 will be cheaper to run more advance..just tune for more.

So i have not done cams, efi, meth injection, pistons, rods or loads of other expensive and USELESS mods that many have done....instead i intercooled it, run more advance and a more efficient turbo.

Compared to a 300hp 951 i have driven my 924 turbo feels more direct, more agressive in power delivery and certainly just as fast.

People come and people go...and many dont know about the cars that exist(ed) in this comunity..even in the US. Does anybody remember nick's(US) silver 931? the one that shamed modded 951s?
Again, 3 rubber bands and a bottle of vodka got Raceboy impressive numbers out of his 924, there are so many fast 924 turbos in europe that you guys never heard about..instead most people invest in useless upgrades and expect big rewards...
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