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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:44 am Post subject: 1978 924 battery problem |
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I have a '78 924 that I bought in the summer, it has never had any major problems up until now. I recently installed a stereo because there wasn't one when I bought it, I wired it with a friend a few weeks ago and since then I've had two incidents involving a dead (or severely drained) battery when I go to start it. This doesn't happen all the time, but it's happened twice now. We wired the stereo to the cigarette lighter for the constant current, and to the ignition for the switched current. I'm not sure if this is what is causing the problem. I left my car yesterday at 3pm and when I came back to it this morning at 815 the battery was dead and I couldn't start it. I didn't leave anything on overnight and the faceplate was off of the stereo head unit. Can anybody help with this problem? Thanks  |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't had time to look at anything yet so I'd just like to know where to start or what to expect. It's been my reliable daily for almost 5 months now so obviously I'd like that to continue seeing that I need it to get around. |
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rat

Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 92 Location: Colchester, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Check youve not switched the main and ignition supplies to the stereo. Most of the looms that come with stereos I've had include an easy to swap pair of wires for these two feeds. |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| I'll look into that, what do I look for to determine if that's the case? My friend did all the wiring and he had all the stereo tools. He lives pretty far away so he won't be able to come out until Monday. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Also, test the relay to make sure it is closing correctly. If you re-used the factory relay, it's possible it is bad and not closing when you depower the car, allowing the battery to drain. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| I will check all of that, thanks! My confusion is why this has only happened twice in a week and a half. Wouldn't this type of problem be constant, and not Intermittent? I've started my car successfully in the morning or after long sits many times since I installed the stereo... That's what baffles me.. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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No, the relay issue can most definitely be intermittent; I.e. One time it may function correctly, and the next time it doesn't quite close all the way. Moisture and humidity can exacerbate this problem. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well moisture is definitely a problem up here in vancouver ill check it out, thanks again, this forum is excellent! |
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SlayerSST
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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If the relay is bad and sticks, it will drain the battery whether anything is connected or not. These relays are mechanical, and they do fail. I had this exact problem on my 928 (although not on the radio circuit). Bugger to track down.
Speaking of which, don't assume it's the radio circuit. There is always the possibility that it's another circuit where the relay has coincidentally begun to fail. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Speaking of which, don't assume it's the radio circuit. There is always the possibility that it's another circuit where the relay has coincidentally begun to fail. |
I agree, my friend is coming over this weekend with his voltmeter and we're going to test a bunch of things including the relay as well as the alternator voltage regulator on the alternator which is apparently also a possible cause. Until then, i'll get a jump from somebody tomorrow so that I can get to school (and hopefully back) and hope that it doesn't happen again until this weekend.
I agree that the car works fine without a stereo, I didn't mind being without it for the 5 months up until now, but I gave in to the peer pressure of friends who got bored while I gave them rides (ungrateful bastards ). But if it all comes down to that i'll be happy to remove it and sell it for some extra cash to spend on my baby  |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is said relay? On the fuse box or on the ignition lock? |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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The stock radio relay is not in the fuse block; it has a clip that is used to afix it to the heater box assembly, usually accessible in the driver footwell. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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agfisher
Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 483 Location: West Hartford, CT
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:21 am Post subject: |
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How about watching the current draw at the battery when the car is completely off. Should show you if there is a drain somewhere. _________________ 1977 924 N/A Martini Edition |
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xanderdeg

Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 286 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| As far as I can tell we're not tapped into or attached at any relay near the fuse box, I believe we started a new current flowing from the ignition lock. And yeah I plan to check for draw on anything and everything this weekend |
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