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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Trivia question this, but anyone any idea which is the oldest 924 Turbo still in existence? Lowest chassis number etc?
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Khal · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:28 am Post subject:

Not mine, that's for sure.

I assume you're talking about actual customer-delivered models, not prototypes and factory mules, etc?
I reckon that the first ones would've been delivered in Germany, and not The 'States or whatever. Based on that, and that the German cars appear to be maintained pretty well on average, I'd say it's a fair bet the oldest one will be in Germany somewhere. Unless some fanatic has had it exported elsewhere...
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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Actually I was including prototypes etc... looking for literally the lowest known chassis number... guessing the first few were destroyed for crash testing etc...
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Khal · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:15 am Post subject:

It's an interesting question. The factory might well have numbered the prototypes, mules, etc, differently to the production models, which could make it a moot point (insomuchas the chassis number would be irrelevant, it would just be a search for the oldest car you could reasonably call a 924).

This chart (which by no means is definitive but it's the only one I'm aware of) seems to imply that the production cars were numbered from 00001, which is what makes me think that the chassis number might not be relevant to the prototypes, mules, etc.
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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

The earliest 931 (according to VIN) listed in the registry is:

Robbie Piessens
Stekene, Belgium
Email: rushteam@yahoo.com
PCA Member: No

931
Year: 1979 VIN: 9249400092
Engine ID: 31010106
Market: Europe
Color: BLUE
Being rebuilt or modified Weekend / Occasional Use
Mods: Wheels, Rear spoiler, GT/GTR Body kit, Brake upgrade

924 turbo with Carrera GT look. Special front bumper, integrated airscoop, integrated rear GT fenders. 17 inch 3 piece OZ wheels. Small special mods like electric tilt and slide sunroof, rear window washers, yellow KONI`s.
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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Interestingly, I just bought a 924 Turbo which was built as a prototype by the factory... it's chassis number is 9249100005 (yup, it predates 924 Turbo chassis numbers).... reckoning it must be one of the oldest still out there!?
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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Was the factory that confirmed it was a protoype 924 Turbo. One of 4 built for the Safari rally...

Just wondered if there were any others out there? (Other than the other 2 surviving Safari cars... which I think have later VINS.)
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Harm · Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 1378 Location: Holland

A-ha?!

…I remember that VIN

So you picked up the white/blue Pirelli prototype that needs some TLC

Congratulations

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TJC · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:06 am Post subject:

Just checking the VIN number's in Jurgen Barth's "The Porsche Book" and it appears the Turbo Rallye numbers are:
9247100016/9248100013/9248100015/9248100019
all listed for the 1979 model year.

Production ROW NA numbers for 1979 are 924910001-9249110475.
Production ROW Turbo numbers for 1979 are 924940001-9249401982.

Hope this helps.
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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Yes Harm... I picked up that one!

Spoke to Jurgen and he confirmed it was one of the 4 Safari cars... and it was rallied for the rest of it's career by Ristl who was one of the gang of 3 (with Barth and Kausmaul) that launched the rally project.

TJC, yes there were 6 cars built, 4 given official VINs but the first 2 weren't. Given the other one (of the latter pair) was destroyed during the Recce I think... guessing makes mine the oldest?

Harm, why did you refer to it as the Pirelli car??? I agree the colours are similar, but if you've got some photos of it running in anger before the paint faded I'd love to see them!! Research coming up a bit blank at the moment...

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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Actually thinking about it logically, the '79/'80 Monte car was built before mine as a N/A car then converted to Turbo... so that would be earlier/as early.
But she's locked away in a museum unlikely to run again... unless I can persuade her owner to part with her

Oh well, nice to know we're right up there anyway!
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TJC · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:19 am Post subject:

Great stuff! So then you have one of the two Turbo developement cars that Jurgen and his crew (or gang of three!) first prepared for rally use...Congrats!

As the story goes, they had to run the Monte with a NA engine since the Turbo was not yet homogolated as a steel strike slowed down production and there weren't enough Turbos built in time for the rally.

Good luck with it.
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pofg · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Zurich

Collected her today and then drove up to Sinsheim to compare her with the Safari and Monte cars that they have up there....

She is REALLY something special... very expensive BOSCH ignition system on her that apparently is forerunner of the stuff they used on the 962s, special gearbox/diff plus all the factory ratio charts and wiring diagrams. Alloy doors which are only on one of the cars in Sinsheim etc...

Herr Freisinger found the original works dash, seats and a some other spares in the warehouse that had come off her when the previous owner had tried to convert her to a road car ?!?!

So a long haul ahead to put her back to her former glory, but all the parts on her match the Monte car spec in Sinsheim pretty much spot on (it has same ignition/doors/cage/intercooler system/dash and seats) so it's only really a case of rubbing down the rust and painting her nicely... HAHAHAHA... yeah right.

Lots of refurb and rebuild ahead I'd guess....

Will keep you all posted.

Cheers
Rick
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