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!tom · Last edited by !tom on Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:31 pm; edited 1 time in total

Well, it's time I start my own thread here with my own ideas.

I've started collecting parts for my own project. However, I don't have a plan yet.

So, hopefully I can come up with a plan with the help of all of you guys.

My son is turning 9 months old next week, so there's a bit of time to finalize the plans before work begins.

Stage 1
5-lug kit that I've verbally committed to buying from CBass.

Stage 2
Engine refresh

Still need to think about other bits, such as seals, gaskets, oiler elbow, etc.

I'm also thinking about the EuroRace Big Valve job.

And, I'm also thinking about a Cometec head gasket.

Cam? Read on for things that may influence this choice. However, given the new lifters, it's probably a good idea to replace the cam at the same time.

Coolant flow modifications? What's the best way to route the coolant flow so that there is still cabin heat.

Stage 3
Megasquirt.

Min, I might be calling on you.

Stage 4
Supercharger!

RC, I might be calling on you.

Lotsa choices. What thickness head gasket would I want? What type of blower would I want? Size of intercooler? These things all depend on the target goals, which I haven't worked out yet.

Oil cooler will be needed at this stage too, I'm sure.

Goals
So, the type and size of blower depend on the HP goals, which dictate the I/C size, and the C/R.

So, just to toss a number around, 200 HP?

Raceboy says the 924 starts to fall apart with more than this, and nowhere in my plans so far have I considered any 931/924S/944/951/968 driveline stuff. It's a nice round number, sounds like it should be possible to achieve with this method without too much grief, and should be plenty.

Let the discussion begin!

I'm still at the parts acquisition phase, so I need some help formulating my ideas. I'd like to keep track of everything here so I don't loose track of it.
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Vince Ponz · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3581 Location: Florida

I started late with my sons. They were 12 and 14 when I attempted to get them interested in cars. I bought them an Austin Healey Bugeye Sprite.
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924guy · Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject:

I think i was four or five when i started showing a mechanical aptitude, by dissection of the household telephones and appliances looking for the little people inside them... never did find any Lilliputians though. I was about ten when i started rebuilding motorcycle engines, which then evolved into cars.

I would suggest not over encouraging , let the little guy develop his own interest and make it fun. when hes old enough to want to help, give him jobs he can complete on his own and achieve success, with progressively more difficult tasks. before you know it, hell be an ace mechanic and dragging home junk lawnmowers to build his own go carts with...

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Grenadiers · Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:28 am Post subject:

Fun thread! I like this: 'dragging home junk lawnmowers to build his own go carts with.' My buddies and I would go to junkyard, see a lawnmower wheel sticking out of the ground, and start digging. Then we'd drag it home behind our bikes, then cobble parts from 2-3 mowers, and then cut the lawn. My mother was always not far away with a fire extinguisher!

My heritage goes back to both grandfathers. One would have the engine from his Model A Ford laid out in pieces, and the other was a farmer. My Dad was a farmer till he was 32 and then ran or owned farm equipment dealerships. Unfortunately for me, he hated the business and wouldn't let us kids on the property. So, spinning wrenches didn't happen till I was in my 30's. Lots of money 'well' spent since then!

PS, the wife and I have 10 vehicles between the two of us, not counting the WD-45 early '50s Allis Chalmers weed-cutting tractor we have.
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Vince Ponz · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3581 Location: Florida

Mr.Moore you hit the nail on the head. We never drove the car after a full restoration. It was easier to drive the wifes 5 series BMW or the Acura Legend coupe. It sat in the yard for a long time until I gave it to a friend.
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924RACR · Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:01 am Post subject:

They're never too young... we have a great pic of my crew chief's younger boy in a stroller at the ripe age of maybe 1 and change, in a Mid-Ohio t-shirt (at the racetrack of course), teething on a Longacre tire gauge!!

But it takes the personality, too. He's very much interested in things mechanical. His older brother, OTOH, doesn't care about the mechanicals, only wants to go fast. So, looks like we have a great crew chief/driver team in the making! LOL

Now give 'em another 10 years to get their licenses...
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PORSCHEV · Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:49 am Post subject:

Not sure what a good age is.... I have tried to get my son into cars by getting him a kart. He liked it for a short time then lost interest. Now he has a 4 wheeler.....seems to rather play video games. He is 10 right now.

I figure it might take him until 16 when he can drive before he really gets into it...maybe never?
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!tom · Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:57 am Post subject:

Guys, the point of this isn't supposed to be about the father-son aspect, it's supposed to be about the project plans.

If he's not going to be interested, he'll do something else. He's a bit young to ask now, and I'm not going to be forcing him to work on this project if his interests lie elsewhere. He certainly likes playing with tools, wheels and screws now though.

I just thought it would be a fun father-son project -- we'll see if he's interested in due time.

I added the poll as an after-thought, thinking it might be funny.

I know I would have enjoyed a project like this when I was little.

So, although these anecdotes are welcome, let's talk compression ratios, cam shafts, ignition systems, and all that good stuff!
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joecitizennn · Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land

I think I started out taking apart toy tractors and RC cars when I was 4 or 5 to modify or fix them. Naturally my broken-to-fixed ratio got better as I got older. I didnt take a interest to working on automobiles till I was older and got my own. Be careful not to force cars and mechanics on him or he may grow up not liking them. I am sure if you simply raise him around the stuff he will take to it on his own.

joecitizennn · Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2096 Location: no mans land

oh yeah. keep him away from tv as much as you can. Kids seem to imprint on the tv rather than their parents, and then they have less interest in being like their parents.

924RACR · Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject:

Limited to stock cam, 9.5:1 CR we're getting about 135 hp out of the NA. That's with .040 overbore, balanced but not lightened, fresh stock top end (no big valves, just the stock later bigger ones), and header and race exhaust (not suitable for street use). Stock intake too, including stock CIS.

With a cam, maybe some lightening, maybe a scotch more CR, I'd imagine around 150-160 or so should be possible, and would be quite fun.

Megasquirt would be a nice addition, and likely free up maybe 5 hp peak, not more than 10, but probably build a lot of area under the curve.

But I couldn't see it exceeding around 165 or so without boost.
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Min · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:33 am Post subject:

I haven't had a TV for the past 11 years, it was one of the best decisions we ever made regarding raising our kids.

Min
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