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[morghen]

thanks tuurbo, i'll bring a mechanic with me when test driving the car..also a stethoscope to listen to the engine for sounds...this is a good ideea !
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[morghen]

So...i'm going tomorrow to see the car...500km drive.
Wish me luck..as my mechanic cant come with me..neigher my friend who owns a 944...so i'll be on my own.

I'll listen for noises in the engine..gearbox..anything that sounds not right to me...i'll check the electrics...AC...ofcourse the functionality of all the systems...

Performance-wise i'll try to "feel" if there are any hesitation moments...but from the video he posted on youtube it doesnt seem like its got any performance loss...the boost gauge shows ~1.8 bar....i'm guessing thats absolute pressure...looks a clean 5.5 seconds 0-60 to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYM4SoETFBA
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[edh]

looks OK to me The 951 isn't a good quarter mile car though - takes a while to get moving off the line. Where it really wins is in mid-range torque, which is very impressive with a bit of mild tweaking.

The boost gauge reads absolute - the later 250 turbos should go to around 1.8 bar in stock trim so that looks OK.

it's worth having a good look for rust - inside the sills & at the back of the front wings (fenders? ) Can be an expensive repair.

Also the usual 924 stuff - clutch, fuel & brake lines, water leaks, sunroof, hatch seals etc.. - They are just like a 924 really, only with an engine bay that's just a bit more crowded
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[morghen]

so...i saw it...drove it.

The car has 250K kilometers...and it shows. The driver seat cover is completely worn. The body has lots of small dents from ice rain and some other stuff. The shifter linkage is sloppy and the leather cover for it is worn and looks like a sock. Amaisingly the gearbox works just fine.

The engine pulls strong...from 3500 till over 6K and sounds like it wants to rev....from the cabin. From the engine bay i could hear the tappets ticking preety hard..they sound like a sewing machine. No other sounds except a rattle from the heat shield. Oil pressure is good(3 bar at warm idle) with 10W oil. The engine needs a good clean and a new set of tappets...NO SMOKE !
The gearbox works fine...the LSD works too...it feels very different from the normal gearbox...you can actualy feel that the wheels are somehow stuck together.
The power steering works, the AC works...all the electrics work.
I did check for leaks but i couldnt see anything because the car was very dirty.
I drove the car on bumpy roads and i couldnt hear anything bad...it feels like a stiffer and bigger tank than my CGT back home.

The "pull" is NOT much stronger..maby just a little stronger than the 924's...i honestly tell you !!
However the "pull" lasts longer...from 3500 till 6000+ where the 924 only offers a big BOOM of power from 3500 till 4500-5000.
For a moment i tought that there is something wrong with it..maby wastegate..but the boost gauge shows 0.8 bar, oil pressure shows good values...and the car does about 5 seconds from 0-100km/h...and about 20 seconds from 0-200km/h.

Estheticaly the car is not compareable to my CGT....mechanicaly is just as strong and good. Performancewise is faster...but honestly i think this is just because of that gearbox...70km/h in first...130 in second...this is a VERY loooong gearbox.

I am a bit dissapointed as i was expecting it to look a bit better and pull much harder...so this is another project car...hopefully only estetical.

To compare the CGT to the 951...the 951 is a better long distance cruiser as it is quieter, heavyer and you dont feel the speed...while the 924 is a death scarry machine !!
The 951 is also city friendly with its powersteering and AC...so i'm going for it...i'm going to buy it and sell the 924.

PS: the 951 is a very good quarter mile car..its very quick off the line thanks to its LSD...ofcourse compared to other 924/944s. Normaly it does 13.9s on the 1/4mile...thats preety good.
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[edh]

Apart from the cosmetics, the car doesn't sound too bad! - a few $$ for one of these

http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/951BOOSTENHANCER.html

and maybe a new chipset

http://www.vitesseracing.com/html/chips.html

should have a huge impact on midrange performance - you can get it boosting to around 1 bar. (mine peaks at 1.2 bar & get to 315lb ft / 280-290hp). Might need a new headgasket at some point though - Probbaly worth doing anyway if you're going to get the belts done? (you are going to get the belts done aren't you ? )

Shifter linkage is also a fairly cheap fix.

- are you sure it wasn't the injectors ticking? - they can be quite noisy

250km is quite high, but these cars are pretty robust & it should be good for another 100
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[morghen]

yes 250k is quite high but it feels....together..one piece..one car...even on the bumps or at +200km/h.
I'm quite sure its the tappets...but i could be wrong.

Anyway...the thing i'm most worried about is the ABS...i've only tried it once and it felt like i'm being hit in the foot with a hammer...when the tires lost tracion the pedal went hard as a brick...the car stopped no problem but i was wondering if this is the way it should work or not.

One other general disscusion is the space inside this car...i honestly cannot belive that the 951 has less space inside than the 924...the 928 wich is a much bigger car has even less space...the 924 is the roomiest car of them all.
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[edh]

Maybe the space issue is just that the sports seats are bigger? - it's the same shell as the 924.

The ABS is a bit "basic", from memory, the pedal does go hard, & I think you can feel the system cycling through the pedal when you lock up. It's not very intrusive though & rarely cuts in. I believe the ABS system does some sort of self test as soon as you go over 4mph - you should hear a sort of groaning sound as you move off for the first time
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[PORSCHEV]

I wouldn't touch it with that many KM on the engine and loud tappets. Walk away...your buying a project.
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[Chrenan]

[morghen]

[edh]

Oil pressure sounds good - the gauge pegs at 5 bar
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[morghen]

So, not buying a 951 anymore. The guy decided to keep the car as he found a cheap way to register it.

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