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3d914

Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 28
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: The Flashy Thingy - available always |
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I'm in the process of debugging some minor electrical problems also:
low beams don't come on, high-beams do. Likely the relay.
low speed & temp-driven fan don't run, A/C turns both fans on high. Relay also.
The weirdest one is that the high-beams can be flashed with the light switch OFF (as well as removed all together), car off & the key out. This can't be normal - can it? _________________ Gerard
74-914 2.0L Ravenna Green
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Flashy Thingy - available always |
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| 3d914 wrote: | low beams don't come on, high-beams do. Likely the relay.
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'81-up 924-931-944 didn't get a headlight relay - just a jumper between 56-56b, and I'm willing to guess your 924S has the same arrangement. I'd be looking at the switch, the fuses, and the lamps. -But since both low-beams are out, it's most likely the switch.
| 3d914 wrote: | low speed & temp-driven fan don't run, A/C turns both fans on high. Relay also.
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AC turning both fans on actually proves that the relays (both AC relay and cooling fan relay) are good. Your symptoms indicate a problem with the rad-mounted temperature switch or the wiring to it. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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3d914

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Smoothie,
Thanks for the feedback. My 924 book shows the relay for the headlights, but the early 944 chart I found didn't show one. Good to know its NOT supposed to be there.
I was hoping to find some decent schematics that would help me verify the switch condition before replacing.
A/C - I'm confused by your response, since when I pulled the A/C fan relay (#1 IIRC) and checked it with voltage across 85 & 86 the relay didn't click.
I know I've replaced the temp switch a little over a year ago - though it could still be bad. Any ideas?
Also, any thoughts on why the hi-beam switch on the steering column lights up the brights when everything is off? _________________ Gerard
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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You'd have to look at an owners manual for your car to know for sure what's where, but my '82 has the "cooling fan relay" in the first position. The "air conditioner relay" I believe is behind the dash at the far right side of LHD cars, accessible by removing the glovebox.
Anyway, there's a diode on that 85-86 pull-in circuit of the relay, so make sure you have your 12v+ on 85, and ground on 86. It would also help to have an ohm-meter across 30-87 to test that switch, and then across A-B to test it, while you're applying 12v across 85-86..
Obviously the rad temp switch can be tested with an ohm-meter also. Should show infinite ohms when cool, and 0 ohms when it's heated to over its' rated temperature.
Don't happen to know why the high-beams are switching on with everything else shut off. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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968rz

Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 537 Location: S. E. Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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The high beam flash-to-pass thing is normal, I think all Porsche/EU cars have that function; seems silly to have lights flash when they are hid but it was cheaper I'm sure to use that switch then to tool up for a new one.
To test the fan sensor at the rad (at least on my 79) you can ground one wire (key on, engine off) and the fan should come on, if not the sensor is bad. _________________ Rick
79 924 coupe Petrol Blue 3spd auto (wife's DD)
93 968 coupe Amazon Green 4spd Tip (my DD) |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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All the sensor does is to provide a ground for the fan motor, so grounding the wire should make the fan run regardless of the condition of the sensor or the position of the key. Ignition on: fan runs fast, ignition off: fan runs slow. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
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