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Isn't the Golf front wheel drive?
There is no such thing as a front wheel drive sports car. There are front wheel drive cars that manufacturers tart up to look sporty, but thats hardly the same thing.
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924RACR
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Oh, that would be sweet... then they can do a turbodiesel 4-cyl version, call it the 924 Turbo GTZ...
...and piss off all the 924 faithful AND the Chevy Beretta fans at once! 
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Eturbo924
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Can't see that move making any sence.
They would have to make it faster than any of the VW offerings... in which case it would then be as fast or faster than the boxster. Thus they run into the same issues they had in holding back the 924/931/944/924S so as not to take sales from the 911.
It would make more sence to make a slightly smaller verion of the Caymen or Boxster with a 4 cylinder engine.
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cgalyon
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I would be all over a 4-cylinder Cayman... I actually like that body design (don't much care for the Boxster). This car is interesting, but given it will likely carry the usual Porsche price tag and will have to come in at a slower speed than their other offerings, I just don't see it as that compelling a vehicle.
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fiat22turbo
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| Chrenan wrote: | Isn't the Golf front wheel drive?
There is no such thing as a front wheel drive sports car. There are front wheel drive cars that manufacturers tart up to look sporty, but thats hardly the same thing. |
It is also available in AWD (R32) and the Audi TT is the same car underneath as is the VW Beetle, Rabbit, Jetta and forth coming Scirocco. Nothing new there. Also just because it might be "based" on the Golf platform doesn't mean it would be FWD. Technically the 924/944 could be considered to be based on the Rabbit or Audi 100 even though it bears no resemblence to either until you get dirty with the individual parts.
Also the Lotus Elan M100 might put a dent in the second half of your post. I will admit that it was a bad choice to reuse the Elan name on that car. It is still the best handling FWD car ever built. FWD isn't that bad, provided the driver understands how to drive it properly and the manufacturer pays attention to how it is built. I've also driven a number of FWD cars that can and will give a number of "sports cars" a run for their money, so while they don't fit into the "Sports car" category they can be sporty cars.
To be honest I'd rather drive a FWD car fast than follow some fogey in a "sports car" because they don't want to damage the paint or risk losing control of their precious phallic symbol (cause d*** control is an important thing to have!)
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Chrenan
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | FWD isn't that bad |
...for getting groceries with.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and you won't change mine on this issue, FWD is an abomination against fun motoring. And yes, I've driven various FWD cars both imported and domestic, I even own one that collects dings at the supermarket.
A fun car, a sports car, should be AWD at a minimum, but preferably RWD. Maybe they are considering the R32 platform, but is that a highly fuel efficient car that would significantly bring down the average fuel rating of their product line?
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fiat22turbo
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Look at the mileage of an Audi TT and tell me what you think of the potential of a fuel efficient vehicle from Porsche could be? I'd say pretty good when paired with direct injection, turbocharging, diesel, variable valve technology, etc
Even if it is a FWD, look at Porsche's history. I mean really look at it and tell me they aren't capable of pushing the envelope of technology. They are about engineering and a transverse drivetrain is one of the most efficient forms of tranferring power to driven wheels. I think one of the best things they could do as a company is to shake things occasionally and force people to look at them as more than just 911 or 924 derivatives.
Oh and you're right we all have our opinions and from my experience, most RWD purists are some of the first I pass with my FWD cars. They do appear to be having fun though! I know I am, which is all that counts in the long run.
I am looking forward to getting my Porsche running again, even though it will be slower in a straight line than anything else I currently own, it will be a different challenge to be sure and one I'm looking forward to.
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morghen
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porsche is into hybrids right now...i dont think that they will make a grocery car.....however if they do make a cheaper porsche...it will be great car...as the 924 was and is !
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Don't get me wrong, if they make a 4 cylinder (like all real Porsches) RWD reasonably priced small car with good balance and clutch pedal, I'll be in line.
If it has any of the following garbage attached to it, they can keep it:
- Automatic Transmission (including paddle shift garbage)
- Hybrid Technology
- Park Assist
- Radar Guided Cruise Control
- Speed Limiter (other than wind resistance)
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| Steve Bassington (bassgt) wrote: | | Front wheel drive is the Devil's work! |
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Martijnus
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| Chrenan wrote: | Don't get me wrong, if they make a 4 cylinder (like all real Porsches) RWD reasonably priced small car with good balance and clutch pedal, I'll be in line.
If it has any of the following garbage attached to it, they can keep it:
- Automatic Transmission (including paddle shift garbage)
- Hybrid Technology
- Park Assist
- Radar Guided Cruise Control
- Speed Limiter (other than wind resistance) |
think about the safety stuff which isn't necessary.
Cars from the 70s weighed 700kg over here... why are today's cars about twice that weight?
I don't need airbags and stuff...
they should build it like you say, but not over 800kg with 200hp.
Can be done.
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924guy
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Front wheel drive would be a huge leap for Porsche, I dont think theyll go there just yet, BUT the R-32 awd platform would be a logical progression.
Id also expect the body to be reworked if they do go this direction, with longer nose and a rounded rear so they can incorporate some of the traditional lines, the EOS cabriolet would be my bet as a starting point for the bodywork...
weve got a new 08 rabbit in the driveway, 5 cyl 170hp autostick, lsd, it was a bargain compared to more other offerings out there, and its a fun car to drive. the GTI has a 4cly turbo in it. Ive little doubt Porsche could do wonderful things with this platform...
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