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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Tappet noise - but from which one? |
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Since replacing my camshaft, I now have a quite nasty noise from one of the tappets. I'd like not to have to go through the rigmarole of matching tappets to adjusters again (which seems in one case to have failed first time around ). What I'd like to do is to identify the noisy tappet and concentrate on that one.
So my question: Is it possible/sensible to run the engine without the cam cover on? (I thought I could check the operation of the cam lobe oiler while I'm there.)
Secondly: Is there a simple means of identifying the noisy tappet?  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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i dont think that you can run the engine without that cover..oil will be allover the place.
You can get a STETOSCOPE..the one that doctors use to listen to your heart and lungs and instad of the big round thing you can fit a round bar of steel.
Using this tool you can identify where does the noise come from.
good luck ! _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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PORSCHEV

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1901 Location: Cedar Lake Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I would use a feeler gauge. It has to be coming from one that has a bit too much slack. _________________ 1976 924
5 lug conversion, 17'C2 wheels,custom body work,327 vette engine.
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924guy

Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 2088 Location: Port St. Lucie, FL
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^^what he said...
a piece of garden hose will work as a stethoscope, ear on one end, other end over the cam cover, look for the change in pitch.. _________________ Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
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Nobbi
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 1396 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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maybe take off the cam cover,takeout sparkplugs and turn motor manually ? (Use of Stetoscope and hose maybe useful).
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Hoboceratops
Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 156 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Don't be a baby, run it with the cover off... Be sure to have a camera handy for our entertainment though...
Stethoscope all the way, a piece of garden hose or pvc will amaze you with its ability to pinpoint noises. _________________ 1987 924S: Very much in love with it, even if it's all finnicky |
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Jaf
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 194 Location: Oria. Spain
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Ha! I took the cover off to check the oil was getting up there. Suffice to say it was and yes it was very messy! Wouldn't want your ear anywhere near there. _________________ 1978 924na |
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Tigger937

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 919 Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Tappet noise - but from which one? |
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| Mike924 wrote: | | So my question: Is it possible/sensible to run the engine without the cam cover on? (I thought I could check the operation of the cam lobe oiler while I'm there.) |
Yes, you can run without the cam cover. I've done it and it's not as messy as you would think. Just lay a rag along the fender and you'll be fine. A great way to inspect cam, lifter and oiling tube operation. _________________ 1981 931 (Concours)
1982 931 (Daily Driver)
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Nobbi
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 1396 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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What ? Driving w/O cam-cover ?!
i once forgott to put the cover lid back on and were driving arround the block. The whole engine compartment was a mess and i guess a lost a pint of oil in that short time.
If you dont have the same problem with your car,check the oil pressure and check if any engine oil is in youre engine !!??
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies, Guys (...and JAF).
Not driving, Nobbi, just with the engine at idle speed, to take a look.
Thanks, Tigger: I'll give it a go!
Porchev and 924Guy: I set the clearances (with a feeler guage) a few months ago. I think I did it right, but I could have cocked up. And, for sure, I'll check with a feeler gauge again when I take the cover off, before starting her up!
Morghen, I have a stethoscope, such as you describe especially for motors. I used it on an earlier car and got such a fright from all the noises going on, I haven't dared use it again!  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
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Jaf
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 194 Location: Oria. Spain
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Be interesting to know how you get on Mike. I got oil all over the inside of the bonnet, the engine generally and on the exhaust manifold (eek) and the wing. Didn't half make me jump, but forewarned and all that! _________________ 1978 924na |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting, JAF. What revs were you running? Surely not just idle speed...?
Could you tell where the majority of the oil was coming from? Was it being flung off from the cam lobes? _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
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DOCO

Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1111 Location: Keswick Ontario Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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We used to run cars all the time with no covers on them to adjust the lifters you can cut an old cover in half and bolt it on or easier yet take a piece of carbord about a foot high and place it in the bottom of the head,it will act as a dam and the oil will fling against it. stiil makes a bit of a mess but it keeps most of it off the exshast pipe and your fender or wing as you call it  _________________ Doco "where am i going and why am i in this handbasket"author unknown
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Jaf
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 194 Location: Oria. Spain
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Mike I've not much idea. I started her up reaching through the window as I remember (before I discovered the internet so it's a few years ago). Will have been just idle speed. By the time I got round to the front (10 secs) there was oil all over the place so I didn't stick around to look where it was coming from. Reckon it might have been bouncing off the cam lobes as it was coming out at all sorts of angles.
Are you going to give it a try? With cardboard and rag maybe like DOCO and Tigger suggest. _________________ 1978 924na |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Ugh, this is giving me flashbacks from my 1900 Opel. . .before I tossed the hydraulic lifters, the lash had to be adjusted with the engine running. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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