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How to remove a stuck pilot bearing

 
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Benino  



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: How to remove a stuck pilot bearing Reply with quote

cliff's notes:
torch the crank shaft to expand it
freeze the pilot bearing to contract it
slide hammer outward on the pilot bearing.

Full story:
I spent the whole day today with the help of my friend Kevin removing my pilot bearing on my 1980 N/A so I thought I'd share.

First I threaded a bolt into the pilot bearing and tried to pull on it. I threaded it through the box end of a wrench and tried to pull on that. I also tried to pry on the bolt with a crow bar. no luck. I decided I needed a little more force so I build this slide hammer:



I cut the steel shaft off of an old 924 hatch shock and welded the correct bolt to thread into the pilot bearing housing on one end. I put a heavy 35mm socket on the shaft and then welded a big washer on the other end of the shaft to make a crude slide hammer.



I hammered out on the pilot bearing . . . but nothing.
I figured I needed more foce. so I added a 7lb axe head to my slide hammer:



No luck. We decided to torch the end of the crank shaft to make the metal expand. I remembered from my physics class that if you torch a circular metal piece with a hole in the middle, the hole also gets larger. The problem is that the pilot bearing housing would also expand with the heat. First We tried torching the crank shaft and then holding ice on the pilot bearing to expand the hole and contract the bearing and then pull on it with my slide hammer. This didn't work, so I got out a bottle of compressed air. If you turn one of these up-side-down and pull the trigger the air that comes out is freezing cold and it will freeze anything it comes in contact with. We torched the crank shaft and then froze the pilot bearing. It still took a huge amount of force on my slide hammer to pull the bearing out but it worked.

bottle of compressed air:

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924RACR  



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very ingenious - congratulations!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bro, that is one of the hardest parts i ever changed,
i tried different pullers and hammering on the wrench,
eventually i got it out with just tightening down a bolt threaded
thru the bushing and pushing on the end of the crank, i thought
the bolt was gonna break before it let go....got lucky i guess

kudo's on the new tool !! Glad you had success.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the hammer, but you could make it more dangerous if there were blades on BOTH sides of the axe head!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
Love the hammer, but you could make it more dangerous if there were blades on BOTH sides of the axe head!


Then it'd be an axe, rather than the maul he used.

Geez I'm picky!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why not just get a bolt with longer threads, and turn it in and use the mechanical leverage to push it out.

that is how I have always removed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody ever heard of the hydraulic method of removing a pilot bearing? It is alot easier than the above.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joecitizennn wrote:
Anybody ever heard of the hydraulic method of removing a pilot bearing? It is alot easier than the above.


yes, i tried that, with messy results lol
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joecitizennn wrote:
Anybody ever heard of the hydraulic method of removing a pilot bearing? It is alot easier than the above.


I've never had success -- the grease has always squirted out, no matter how good the fit. Sounds great in theory, but in practice, it's left a lot to be desired for my examples.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grease+bits of rag.

THe trick is to put a little bit of grease in the hole, then stuff grease saturated rag peices in behind. Keep stuffing them in till the hole is filled. If you are lucky you can find or modify a punch that just fits in the pilot bearing hole. Hammer the greasy cloth in, then extract the punch and stuff some more greasy rags in. Hammer them in. Keep it up the pattern, hammering harder and harder untill the bearing pops out. If it works, it was easy. If it dosent then it wasnt easy! Ha Ha.

It will never work if you just put grease in there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried threading the bolt in first but it bottomed out and kept spinning in such a way that it felt like it was starting to strip the threads. The bearing wasn't spinning either. I felt like I was more likely to strip them out completely by threading it in more than by pulling straight out.

I soaked it with liquid wrench for a week before pulling.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extremely impressive ingenuity!!! If at first you don't succeed..........

Todd
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