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NEMESIS
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"Linked Account" means that Paypal made a connection between one account gone bad, and this new account. When they do that they start to siphon funds from one account to the other to make up for the negative balance left on the first account.
The ONLY time this happens is when the same person (or comapny)has multiple accounts, and they make the connection. This only means that you guys at Northest Auto have burned up one Paypal account and moved over to another to continue to do business (scam). So your defense for this whole thing is just more bad business practices catching up to you. |
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ideola
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Location: Spring Lake MI
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Don't you just love it when someone digs themselves into a hole and flings the dirt in such a way that it comes right back down on their own head?!?!? Talk about burying yourself alive!
Sheesh! I'll never understand why these people think it's easier to do business the hard way! Life is so much simpler than that! Own up to your responsibilities, and treat people the way you'd like to be treated if the situation were reversed! It's really no more complicated than that!
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Tigger937
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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The seller should always go out of his/her way to obtain complete satisfaction from the customer. I have had to do that on numerous occasions. WHY??? .......to preserve my credibility. The effect is multiplication.............the good word spreads like wildfire. The idea is to grow the business, not shrink it. Basic business sense.
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sparky
Joined: 27 Nov 2002
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Location: Malta
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Wow chris, you are just as stupid as david! and a A class A$$hole too!
I think my below attachment says it all, and also proves that you made up alot of the info you posted.. everyone have a look at this paypal screenshot that i took today!!!!
So were exactly and how do you validate your crap claim of me getting a full refund when looking at this picture.. damnn you guys will go sooo low!!
Says it all doesnt it??
A reply will be very interesting chris!
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Chrenan
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Seems pretty clear to me, Northeast Auto or whatever it is called is just another deadbeat seller.
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1Fast924T
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | Any way you slice it, Mr. Mandache has conducted himself SHAMEFULLY as a businessman. Any reasonable businessman would NOT berate his customers, call them names, and shirk responsibility.
It is NOT the customer's responsibility to make sure that payment methods are in good order, it is the SELLER's responsibility. It is not the customer's responsibility to make things right when the SELLER's chosen business partners (in this case eBay and PayPal) purportedly cause some sort of dysfunction in the business transaction, it is the SELLER's responsiblity. It is not the customer's responsibility to initiate communication and see that the transaction goes smoothly, it is the SELLER's responsibility. On ALL of these counts, Mr. Mandache has SHIRKED HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
Trying to DODGE responsibility by taking this ridiculous approach of going on the offensive, berating the customer, calling the customer demeaning names, and refusing to DO THE RIGHT THING, demonstrates Mr. Mandache's utter lack of business acumen and total disregard for what is ethically correct.
THE RIGHT THING TO DO ultimately is to make your customer whole EVEN IF it technically wasn't your own fault. And that brings up another point. RESPONSIBILITY and FAULT aren't the same things. It may very well be that Mr. Mandache was not "at fault". However, as the SELLER, he IS responsible. And that is the key factor that is being overlooked here.
The bottom line in all of this is that the customer was wronged. Period. End of sentence. End of discussion. If Mr. Mandache doesn't have the decency, the concern for his customers, and the good sense to make it right, he is creating his own bad will. What you are seeing in this thread is simply one manifestation of that.
In the final analysis, it doesn't matter to me one bit if Mr. Mandache were completely innocent of all the charges leveled at him. It doesn't matter to me if Mr. Mandache lines up an entire parade of character witnesses professing what a great and wonderful guy he is. His very words in the email threads posted here and the indisputable actions he undertook condemn him. The simple fact that he chose to shirk his responsibility and treat his customer so poorly is evidence enough for me that he (and North East Auto) do not deserve my business. I'm sure I am not alone in that regard.
You want to earn respect??? You want to earn my business??? You want to earn the good will of other people on this board? THEN DO THE RIGHT THING!!! Fix the problem. Even if it's not your fault. I guarantee, instead of tunneling down this rathole of a blame game, if you FIX THE PROBLEM, this thread will go away. If you don't fix the problem, this thread will fester, and no reasonable person from this board will ever do business with you again.
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Right! So your take is: swallow any loss, whether it's the customer's fault or no, correct? That's not the way it works.
All facts should be shown, and Mr. Berman has failed to do this. There is no free lunch, but if he wouldn't have lied so many times in his claims, I'm sure we could have tried to work something out.
We insisted he join the class action lawsuit against PayPal. He obviously has that opportunity (if he has a legitimate reason and not just more BS he is claiming).
And you say WE are the ones berating the customer? Trying to dodge responsibility??? Are you kidding me??? Facts are facts!
Losing your business? If we lose business due to such intensively stupid behavior on the customer's part, not to mention attempted fraud then that's business we can do without!
Thank you!
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1Fast924T
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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I was going to reply to everyone individually, but now I see it would be a waste of time. I guess when someone has made up their mind while constantly ignoring facts, we are not getting anywhere, are we?
Wow! Just WOW!
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004
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Location: Spring Lake MI
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Continuing with your infantile arguments only goes to further prove how intellectually and linguistically stunted you are. You want to deal in facts? OK. Try this:
FACT: customer order and pays for goods, and doesn't receive them
FACT: seller is responsible to make customer whole REGARDLESS of who is at fault
FACT: customer is neither at fault nor responsible to make the situation right
FACT: seller berates customer, calls him names, and engages in flame war with customer and his peers
FACT: seller refuses to DO THE RIGHT THING
FACT: seller has reputation of shady dealings
FACT: paypal has shut the seller down on previous occasions
OPINION: seller is a complete imbecile devoid of any common sense or business acumen, continuing to make an ASS of himself every time he opens his mouth (metaphorically speaking, of course).
A wise man once said: Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Obviously, that is the tactic you're hoping to employ, as evidenced by your inability to put any semblance of logical argument together, revealing your complete and total lack of mental acuity. You can't threaten or bully me, you feckless imposter! All you're going to do by engaging me is continue to prove how big of an ASS you are. I am more than happy to help you do that because it will be a great service to this community to expose what a scam artist and utter moron you truly are.
Had enough, or shall we continue???
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1Fast924T
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | Wow chris, you are just as stupid as david! and a A class A$$hole too!
I think my below attachment says it all, and also proves that you made up alot of the info you posted.. everyone have a look at this paypal screenshot that i took today!!!!
So were exactly and how do you validate your crap claim of me getting a full refund when looking at this picture.. damnn you guys will go sooo low!!
Says it all doesnt it??
A reply will be very interesting chris! |
I have not made up anything at all. You (and everyone else) are more than welcome to do your own research concerning this transaction.
If anyone here wants to email our other buyers about their refunds, to see if they just got a "partial" refund, you are more than welcome..............
Mark, your comments are being noted (as are everyone else's) but I will still respond, since I still have a little bit of patience left:
If what you just posted is an actual page from your PayPal account, and not a page that was saved BEFORE your refund was processed, then it appears you have a legitimate claim again PayPal.
It still has NOTHING to do with the fact that your $620 payment was refunded! I have shown the transaction ID for that refund! Proof, buddy. Ever heard of that?
Therefore, how do you still find us responsible for your supposed "loss"???
PayPal shows a refund, and you claim a partial refund.
I'm still trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are making it difficult.
Chris @ Northeast Auto Inc. |
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Min
Joined: 04 Nov 2002
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Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| 1Fast924T wrote: | Therefore, how do you still find us responsible for your supposed "loss"???
PayPal shows a refund, and you claim a partial refund.
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Your choice of methods of accepting payments is not the buyers problem. He gave you money, he did not receive an item.
If you are so eager to claim that its all paypals fault, why not just take a screenshot of YOUR paypal page and post it up here so we can see your not just a filthy liar. Since at this point you have no credibility whatsoever.
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1Fast924T
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | Continuing with your infantile arguments only goes to further prove how intellectually and linguistically stunted you are. You want to deal in facts? OK. Try this:
FACT: customer order and pays for goods, and doesn't receive them- After receiving a refund, is the customer still entitled to receive the goods??? What planet do you come from?
FACT: seller is responsible to make customer whole REGARDLESS of who is at fault- Why is that? I have shown ample proof of the refund, but the customer continues with BS. We don't give handouts or free parts to non-paying customers. Is this really your opinion? If so, you need help.
FACT: customer is neither at fault nor responsible to make the situation right- We are not Burger King. "Your way" in this case refers to what you just claim, and further gives the customers more tools to rip off businesses. Again, he received his refund from our PayPal account.
FACT: seller berates customer, calls him names, and engages in flame war with customer and his peers When in Rome.........
FACT: seller refuses to DO THE RIGHT THING There is no right or wrong left for our company to do any more, since the refund was already issued.
FACT: seller has reputation of shady dealings There is no proof of this, but simply speculation and contant rides on the BS bandwagon.
FACT: paypal has shut the seller down on previous occasions BS! Where do you get this from??? Care to clarify???
OPINION: seller is a complete imbecile devoid of any common sense or business acumen, continuing to make an ASS of himself every time he opens his mouth (metaphorically speaking, of course).
A wise man once said: Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience........
Ha! That's why my patience is running out. (The only intelligent comment you've made so far)
Obviously, that is the tactic you're hoping to employ, as evidenced by your inability to put any semblance of logical argument together, revealing your complete and total lack of mental acuity. You can't threaten or bully me, you feckless imposter! All you're going to do by engaging me is continue to prove how big of an ASS you are. I am more than happy to help you do that because it will be a great service to this community to expose what a scam artist and utter moron you truly are.
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Oh, please continue. I insist. |
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Min
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| 1Fast924T wrote: | | Oh, please continue. I insist. |
you've yet to prove you issued a full refund. Were is that screenshot? And the customer in this case had to request a refund becuase you refused to ship his parts. Why is it that so many of your customers are requesting refunds again?
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1Fast924T
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Min wrote: | | 1Fast924T wrote: | | Oh, please continue. I insist. |
you've yet to prove you issued a full refund. I did prove it, please go back and look at it. It even includes a transaction ID for the refund.
Were is that screenshot? And the customer in this case had to request a refund becuase you refused to ship his parts.
NO! If you would pay attention, you wouldn't make such a comment. Why don't you email the other customers (their emails are included in my first post) and ask them why they got a refund, since I realize you need to hear it from someone else! It was NOT due to not receiving the parts! I have already answered this question MANY times.
Why is it that so many of your customers are requesting refunds again?
BS! Check the dates; Sep 29th and 30th, that's when we had problems with our account. We had to actually ask the customers to file for refunds due to not having access to the funds. Go back and read. Again
Min |
Ok people, if you have questions or comments, please keep them at an intellingent and non-repetetive level, especially when they have already been answered.
Next........ |
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Min
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| 1Fast924T wrote: | I did prove it, please go back and look at it. It even includes a transaction ID for the refund.
Ok people, if you have questions or comments, please keep them at an intellingent and non-repetetive level, especially when they have already been answered.
Next........ |
So, how are you expecting someone not involved in this transaction, to check this transaction ID exactly? .... That right there shows your intelligence level.
Min
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1Fast924T
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Min wrote: | | 1Fast924T wrote: | I did prove it, please go back and look at it. It even includes a transaction ID for the refund.
Ok people, if you have questions or comments, please keep them at an intellingent and non-repetetive level, especially when they have already been answered.
Next........ |
So, how are you expecting someone not involved in this transaction, to check this transaction ID exactly? .... That right there shows your intelligence level.
Min |
Well then, how is it that you and others are ready to accept the customer's BS claims without accepting the actual facts of this transaction?
I have shown facts, which may be needed as proof if this escalates any further, especially from a legal standpoint. Yes, at this time only our company and the customer have access to this information, but it is available for future reference. Also, as I've mentioned SEVERAL times, I insist that anyone with doubts contact the other customers who received their refunds (their email addresses are shown in my first post), and ask them WHY they received the refunds. It's obvious you want to hear it from someone else, so please contact them.
Chris @ Northeast Auto Inc. |
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