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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2810 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Maybe you could try the 19mm 3 way adjustable m030 bar. Just to get that balance right. Its inexpensive to buy from the porsche center over here... _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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That's some nice driving Vaughn, very impressive. Makes me nervous just wathcing it, which is probably a good sign that I should never get on a track! That track is so narrow I can't even see where I would try to pass, probably another good clue that I am not a race car driver deep down. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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That looks like a fun track. . .but there looks to be one spot where a loss of control could send you into incoming traffic on another part of the course! Shouldn't there be a barrier there?? _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| morghen wrote: | | All i'm saying is that the bmw is holding him down and he could produce faster laps without the bmw infront of him... |
Yeah, seemed that way to me, too.
I just really like E21's
| morghen wrote: | | i personaly know a guy that owns a BMW... |
I personally am a guy that's owned two E21's!
They're good little things. They definitely do not have the top speed of a toofah but acceleration? I doubt there's more than a tenth or two in it (at least when they're stock... obviously, 924RACR and the other guy have done some sort of modifications to their cars).
| Cédric wrote: | | I´ve heard that they do tend to have som not so wanted handling abilites sometimes. What i have heard its much "thanks" to the rear end. |
If you're saying what I think you're saying, then I totally agree; The E21 is definitely more tail-happy than the toofah! I clearly remember one afternoon I ended up facing the oncoming traffic (during rush hour!) after getting a little too excited with the throttle around a tight corner! How I got out of that one alive I'll never know...
Anyways, enough about blue and white propeller badges! I just found it kinda neat to the see the old Bimmer stickin' it to the Porker... being that it's such a drastically "inferior" car and all, eh morghen?  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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moone924

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 868 Location: Douglas Wyoming
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Khal wrote: |
Sure it's not a 318? Single or dual headlights? It's the easiest way to tell, the 318 has singles, the 320 duals... |
As far as I know the 318 wasn't available in the states until the e30? model, and it had dual headlights. Or maybe the 318 was the same as our 2002, which had a 2002cc engine... _________________ Ryan Moone
Always shopping for a nice s2 931 to baby.
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924RACR

Joined: 29 Jul 2001 Posts: 9080 Location: Royal Oak, MI, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, actually I do have the M030 19mm rear Cup Car bar, and do like it - it was pretty cheap, $142USD when I got it (with bushings) new and of course original part quality... _________________ Vaughan Scott
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bass gt

Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 971 Location: Johannesburg for now!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Vaughan
If you are having trouble with understeer, try a little more rake on the car. Set up properly, the 24 should be dead neutral unless you just throw it at the scenery!! Lots of people make the mistake of messing about with sway bars and dampers before the balance of the car is properly set up. Do you know your corner weights? Whats the front/rear balance of your car?
Once i got mine dialled in fairly well, the handling was fantastic. Still a bit of fine tuning to do, but she's 90% there.
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Nobbi
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 1396 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hey folks,
a little comment from my sight, in the UK,germany e.g the succesfull drivers using the convertible for racing!! The weight is of course higher but the body is much stiffer so it s more stable in cornering.
By the way, were does LOL stands for ? Or,what is a Kudo?
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D Hook

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3158 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Man! I had my pooch on my lap as I was watching that and he yelped 'cause I was squeezing him too hard as you were almost overtaking him in the corner! What a blast! Where I live, that's called "morning commute".
I haven't read all the comments up to now but it looks like he was off his apexes a bit on some of those corners.
Hope you can post more of the videos you get. Maybe you should start a new website: "Vicarious Racing".
Good luck! _________________ '80 924 n/a SOLD |
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924RACR

Joined: 29 Jul 2001 Posts: 9080 Location: Royal Oak, MI, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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LOL = Laughing Out Loud or Lots Of Laughs
There's also ROTFLMAO! Rolling On The Floor...
Steve - you're quite right, and I am running a bit tail-heavy, which is part of it too. It's 48/52%, and a little low in the rear, and that may be one of the things we do to balance it out. I don't remember it being quite like that earlier on, but then again I was 5-10 seconds slower a lap! Anyway, always plenty to adjust, and every time you get faster, you have to completely adjust the car again since what worked OK for a 1:21 lap feels like crap at 1:19.5! _________________ Vaughan Scott
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bass gt

Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 971 Location: Johannesburg for now!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Vaughan,
48-52 front to rear? I would advise reversing that so it's 52-48. Reason i say this is the company who did my baseline chassis setup run the Porsche cars GB GT3. Many years ago they won a bucket of trophiesand championships in guess what?? A 931. They admit that due to the regs of the day their cars were not as developed as mine, but the basic chassis dynamics are the same.
Ultimately, it's always a trade off. Also, 3.5deg of camber all round seems to be the best, unless slicks are being used. If you set the balance by adding a tad of +ve rake into the car, and perhaps a smidge more castor, as rake effectively reduces castor a bit, you should be able to banish the understeer.
Nice to see a 24 racing propely. Simsport and myself are in a handful of guy's over here using the 24. Most plump for a 911, but i do think the 24 is a better circuit car.
Good Luck,
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924RACR

Joined: 29 Jul 2001 Posts: 9080 Location: Royal Oak, MI, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'd at least like it at 50/50. It's doable, as long as I can still get the rear adjusted in spec for camber (sometimes a struggle on my car). Good point about minding the caster, though. Right now I don't have much more than stock (around 4-4.5 deg), but can dial in more if I want to - just a bit of wrenching to juggle a bunch of camber adjustments around.
I'd love to hear if they have any recommendations on just how much castor is best for the chassis; I think I can get it up to 6 or more if desired.
Not sure I want that much camber; while I do keep it pretty even front/rear, our tires (Hoosier road race radial R6's) don't seem to like more than 3 on this car, maybe 3.25, but haven't made it happy with 3.5 yet. I think they're over their desired working point then. Does help that my car's so stiff and low.
Cheers! _________________ Vaughan Scott
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3d914

Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 28
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| morghen wrote: | EXCELENT RACING !
This is nobody throwing these words but.... i feel that your 924 is a WAY MORE advanced and fast vehicle than that BMW....and if you only would dare more and push the other driver a bit more to be able to close his way after you've past him...he would never catch you...Maby what i'm saying is not legal...or just pure crap...but...i had to say it
good luck in future events and please keep us up to date with your great racing and videos ! |
I agree! Very close, but you seemed to be working a lot less at than he was.
Enjoy! _________________ Gerard
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Stampedetrail

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 274 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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That looks like a hell of a lot of fun, and I like the vengeful laugh at the end of it. The Porsche could obviously out pace the Beemer on an empty track. The weight distribution is the key, and you are kicking ass.
BMW is a wierd company, dont you think? Who else would make a 400 horsepower 4-door sedan that looks like a Ford Taurus? _________________ 1977.5 924 "Martini" head / New Old Stock rebuild
1985.5 944 Why? Because I can. |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Stampedetrail wrote: | | Who else would make a 400 horsepower 4-door sedan that looks like a Ford Taurus? |
Back in Oz they call it "Dame Edna" 'cause the headlights look like the glasses she (he?) wears...
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