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924fanatic
Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 24
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: Switching from carb back to fuel injection |
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Quick question.....
I have a 76' 924 without any fuel injection system (carbs) and I have finally decided to switch back to the BOSCH fuel injection system which was originally on the car. I have found a 1985 924 donor. Will this be a straight swap or are there differences between 76' and 85' with regards to fuel injection?
Thanks _________________ Currently being restored:
Porsche 924, 1976, Red |
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NEMESIS

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 296 Location: BamaLamaDingGone, of course!
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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There are some slight differences from the beggining to end but I can not tell you if it would be possible or not. I suppose it is but might require a couple updates in other areas to make it work. The real gurus here will be able to tell you for sure.
If that option ends up being too much of a hassle I would be willing to trade you the complete operating FI out of my '76 in exchange for the complete carb system. Are they Webers? |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Most differences are tiny and shouldn't be a problem. The only one that I can think of that might cause a headache is the fuel relay wiring.
Early cars had a switch in the air meter/fuel dist to cut the fuel supply if the engine dies. Later air meters won't have this, and rely instead on a signal from the ignition circuit. The wiring in your 1976 car will be for the earlier set-up, so there might be a small amount of re-wiring to do... _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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924fanatic
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help guys. I took the plunge and bought the whole system. Hopefully i wont have many missing wires etc......
I'll keep you guys updated with some pics....... _________________ Currently being restored:
Porsche 924, 1976, Red |
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geddes66

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 129 Location: Bakersfield CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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the '85 will have the oxygen sensor. the '76 ('77?) did not. Make sure you get the frequecy valve. (I think) _________________ The Porsche is now my son's, my car is cooler, slower but cooler. |
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924fanatic
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Im not too sure what the frequency valve is but when i get to that stage i'll post a few pics and hopefully you guys can point it out for me.
Thx  _________________ Currently being restored:
Porsche 924, 1976, Red |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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The frequency valve adjusts the control pressure to the fuel metering valve in the fuel dist in response to the output of the oxygem sensor.
If you don't have any of these items, I think you can get by with leaving all of them off. _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike924 wrote: | The frequency valve adjusts the control pressure to the fuel metering valve in the fuel dist in response to the output of the oxygem sensor.
If you don't have any of these items, I think you can get by with leaving all of them off. |
True, your car wil default to a rich condition. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| Chrenan wrote: | | Mike924 wrote: | The frequency valve adjusts the control pressure to the fuel metering valve in the fuel dist in response to the output of the oxygem sensor.
If you don't have any of these items, I think you can get by with leaving all of them off. |
True, your car wil default to a rich condition. |
But you can tweak that out at idle - you won't be any worse off than a non-O2 sensor car. _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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924fanatic
Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 24
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Thats good to know. I'm not too sure i've got it but i will be taking a few pics of what i have and you could let me know. Either way i'll try and buy one if i dont have it but thanks for the info anyways.
Around 30 mins ago the engine came out. Took around 1.30-2.00hrs to do the job and it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. Phew.
The pics will be posted sometime this week.
So, since the engine is out, have you guys got any tips or advice on what extra jobs I could carry out which cant be done (or are a bitch) while the engine is in?
Thanks for all your help so far.
Oh yeh.... the right engine mount is busted . How much will this set me back? _________________ Currently being restored:
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Stampedetrail

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 274 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'd think about the clutch, and some of the steering u-joints are a real pain to get at with the engine in. Oh, and motor mounts of course. _________________ 1977.5 924 "Martini" head / New Old Stock rebuild
1985.5 944 Why? Because I can. |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Are you going to crack the engine open? If so, you'll want to look at a decoke, poss new valve springs, new big-end bearings. If you're really keen you could also think about new piston rings and poss mains bearings. _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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