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Aussie931

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Canberra
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: Idling before shut off |
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Does anyone know how legit the idea of letting your car idle before you shut it down to reduce turbo failure is?
Wouldn't it be better to just make sure that you take it real easy for the last few minutes before you get to your destination?
I would have thought that if you let the car idle while it is stationary, the lack of air flow would actually cause the engine temp & hence oil temp to increase. It would take quite a few minutes of idling, and a cool day for the temp to actually drop whilst idling with no air flow.
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Per
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Gothenburg Sweden
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Idling before shut off |
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| Aussie931 wrote: | Does anyone know how legit the idea of letting your car idle before you shut it down to reduce turbo failure is?
Wouldn't it be better to just make sure that you take it real easy for the last few minutes before you get to your destination?
I would have thought that if you let the car idle while it is stationary, the lack of air flow would actually cause the engine temp & hence oil temp to increase. It would take quite a few minutes of idling, and a cool day for the temp to actually drop whilst idling with no air flow.
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Hi my name is Per, i´m from sweden (explains my bad english) and i´ve recently bought my first 931.
I would recommend you to idle, of course its also good to take it easy the last few minutes before stopping. The reason the turbo gets hot is ofcourse that it has hot exhaust gases flowing trough it, these exhaust gases get even hotter when the engine is under load since they pass the turbo at higher pressure (and with a higher massflow) in the same way that the intake air gets hotter under load.
The turbo is also running at very high revs and needs time to slow down.
Worst case senario is that you suddenly turn the engine of after some hard driving, the turbo is running at very high revs, is very hot and there is no oil flowing to the turbo. The oil that is left in the turbo will due to the heat rapidly lose it lubricating properties.
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dwak

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 839 Location: Eastern Ontario
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I am familiar with this situation from using turbo diesel construction equipment but I believe newer turbos have solved this problem in various ways. I know a few who have a delay switch that leaves the motor running for a few minutes after you switch off. I wonder if after market turbos solve this problem or whether you could have a delayed fan set up for the cooling period but I guess that wouldn't help the flow of oil.
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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My two cents? Yes, on the 924 Turbo's you should warm them up before use and idle them down after hard use.
In fact, I'd argue that you should let any engine get up to temp. before you use it.
But if you're using modern oil i.e. Mobil 1, then it probably isn't absolutely necessary.
Still, I use Mobil 1 in mine and I always try to warm it up and idle it down. It's just good practice, IMHO. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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dwak

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 839 Location: Eastern Ontario
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Khal,
Don't you find that Mobil 1 (synthetic) finds new and wonderful orifices to leak out of due to it's abilities to penetrate fine cracks. (but that's another story)
dwak _________________ 2x924NA's for parts
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| dwak wrote: | | Don't you find that Mobil 1 (synthetic) finds new and wonderful orifices to leak out of... |
Not at all. My car never leaked a drop. But it apparently was fed with Mobil 1 since it was rebuilt.
I dunno, maybe if you use a different oil then switch to Mobil 1, maybe that might cause a problem? I've read various commentary here but I can only say that I've never had a problem it. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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OutOfTheBox
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 434
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Synthetics are good for turbo's, because they dont suffer from carbonisation anything like a standard organic oil.
The problem isn't so much the metal temps, as the engine is now off, so temps even though very high, can only go down.
The problem is, the oil is no longer flowing through your turbo bearing shaft, so the oil that is stationary there, heats up to to the casing temp of your turbo, and if its normal organic oil, it carbonises the shaft.
This build up of carbon on your shaft, causes premature turbo failure.
You will increase your turbo lifetime , by always having clean oil, because of this.
As soon as I see my oil blacken in the slightest, I change it out |
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Devam
Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Aussie 931,
Are you a female Porsche 931 owner?
It wouldn't hurt to let it idle, maybe you could fit a turbo timer if it is inconvenient, I am thinking of getting one. How long to set it for do you think? |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:34 am Post subject: |
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I always keep my foot out of the throttle as I drive the last 1/2 mile through my neighborhood and then let it idle about a minute once I park it. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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Aussie931

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Canberra
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I am a female 931 owner. If there are any other female owners it would be great to get in touch. You can see my pic in the latest edition of people magazine (Australian mag). _________________ 1979 Series 1 924 turbo |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Aussie931 wrote: | | You can see my pic in the latest edition of people magazine... |
Really?!  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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Aussie931

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Canberra
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to disappoint, but it seems as though someone has been mucking around with my computer while I was logged on - good reason to log out when you leave the room . _________________ 1979 Series 1 924 turbo |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Good one! _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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