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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: bolt on big bore throttle body with TPS for NA 924 |
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Hey guys, you may remember reading my posts about the VW 52mm twin butterfly throttle body with throttle potentiometer.
I bought one for my Rabbit(2.0 16v swap with megasquirt), and on a whim tried it on my collection of 924 manifolds. No way it will work with the 931 manifold, which I determined earlier from measurements.
It bolts onto a '77 manifold with no clearance issues, but no clearance between the bottom of the TPS and the runners.
It is so close on an '80 manifold that you can get the cap screws started, although they are tight. It will fit if you skim a little off of the runner for clearance. I'm going to give this a whirl with my spare '80 manifold and see how it goes. If it works out, I may just stick one of these on my car.
Then again, I still have that GM TPS and another 52mm throttle body from a MK2 jetta.
No pics for the moment but it bolts up, throttle linkage pulls in the right direction. you will want to take the piece of the linkage that the cable attaches to off of your 924 and put it on the VW linkage assembly. Connector is a standard AMP 3 terminal male connector.
These throttle bodies are somewhat sought after by the VW community, as they are how the VW guys do their megasquirt, so they can be a little expensive on Ebay. If you're at the local pick an pull, they come off of early 90's 4 cylinder Passats with automatic transmissions. Manual cars do not have the TPS, just contact switches for idle and WOT. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, did the EFI craze die while I was gone? I at least expected *some* response to this.  _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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endwrench

Joined: 07 Dec 2002 Posts: 1631 Location: Victor, Montana
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I never saw the post! It is good info and will make life a lot easier for some who try to convert to EFI. Nice find!!
Todd _________________ '79 924NA. Rebuilt 9.5:1, MSDS header, Mega Squirt Injection, MJLJ-EDIS Ignition, 1.6L Whipple Charger and Intercooler, 10lbs Boost, 944 Trans, Custom HD Clutch.
"simsport" said....superchargers are better than turbos its official!.... |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| CBass wrote: | Wow, did the EFI craze die while I was gone? I at least expected *some* response to this.  |
Sorry Dude, nobody cares about EFI now. We're all about boost here, super chargers, turbo chargers, preferably huge and in pictures where they are not attached to anything. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Raceboy

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2327 Location: Estonia, Europe
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: |
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What??
Chrenan, I was posting pics of my engine, and there was a turbo actually attached to it!
And I plan to convert my wifes N/A to Megasquirt.... Initially I wanted to install Motronic, but that makes a lot of hassle without much improvement. _________________ '83 924 2.6 16v Turbo, 470hp
'67 911 2.4S hotrod
'90 944 S2 Cabriolet
'78 924 Carrera GT replica
'84 928 S, sold
'91 944 S2, sold
'82 924S/931 "Gulf", sold
'84 924, turbocharged, sold.
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Raceboy wrote: | What??
Chrenan, I was posting pics of my engine, and there was a turbo actually attached to it!
And I plan to convert my wifes N/A to Megasquirt.... Initially I wanted to install Motronic, but that makes a lot of hassle without much improvement. |
Sorry Raceboy, didn't mean you, I've seen your stuff and it is hardcore. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Porsche924boy

Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 252 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Wow the EFI craze did die. Yep we want superchargers and turbos. So if you could do a super charger that had built in EFI that woud be neat. _________________ What i own:
1995 Ford F150 Eddie Bauer 4X4
1995 F250 PowerStroke Diesel
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endwrench

Joined: 07 Dec 2002 Posts: 1631 Location: Victor, Montana
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Chrenan, Chrenan. What have you done?  |
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you're converting a naturally aspirated car to forced induction, you're going to have to do something about the engine management regardless. EFI is cheap and most effective. If you're wanting to boost, it's because you want performance. An EFI forced induction system is going to make more power and be more streetable with fewer issues once tuned than a CIS forced induction system. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Completely true. On an N/A, there must be gains as well when converting to modern injection and ignition besides the obvious advantage of dumping the aging CIS. Hotter multiple spark combined with exact fuel management must be worth a few HP? _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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Raceboy

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2327 Location: Estonia, Europe
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Chrenan wrote: | | Completely true. On an N/A, there must be gains as well when converting to modern injection and ignition besides the obvious advantage of dumping the aging CIS. Hotter multiple spark combined with exact fuel management must be worth a few HP? |
That is the reason I'm going to to the EFI conversion on N/A. To get rid of the problems that most likley will occur (hot-start problems etc), to improve driveability and maybe gain some hp, throttle response and last but not least, better gas mileage
I started building a spare engine for N/A with 931 pistons and NA head with heavily modified intake ports. But, I'll only use it when this one fails (starts to smoke, loses oil pressure..). _________________ '83 924 2.6 16v Turbo, 470hp
'67 911 2.4S hotrod
'90 944 S2 Cabriolet
'78 924 Carrera GT replica
'84 928 S, sold
'91 944 S2, sold
'82 924S/931 "Gulf", sold
'84 924, turbocharged, sold.
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Raceboy wrote: |
That is the reason I'm going to to the EFI conversion on N/A. To get rid of the problems that most likley will occur (hot-start problems etc), to improve driveability and maybe gain some hp, throttle response and last but not least, better gas mileage
I started building a spare engine for N/A with 931 pistons and NA head with heavily modified intake ports. But, I'll only use it when this one fails (starts to smoke, loses oil pressure..). |
Let me know how that works out!
Interesting thing I noticed when doing my headgasket job. My deck clearance with the 931 pistons is less than it is on one of my 931 shortblocks. I didn't measure it but it was slightly less. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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Raceboy

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2327 Location: Estonia, Europe
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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CBass, it's most probably due to compression height difference between some years of 931. I don't know specifically what years (perhaps Series 1 & 2?), but Racing mentioned that in one of his earlier posts.... _________________ '83 924 2.6 16v Turbo, 470hp
'67 911 2.4S hotrod
'90 944 S2 Cabriolet
'78 924 Carrera GT replica
'84 928 S, sold
'91 944 S2, sold
'82 924S/931 "Gulf", sold
'84 924, turbocharged, sold.
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CBass

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 2807 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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The pistons look to have the same dish as the 1980 7.5:1 US spec pistons. IIRC those come up very close to the deck. _________________ '81 931 in various states of assembly |
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