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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Help appreciated- buying 931 Reply with quote

Hi everyone, this is my first post on this board and im nearly the proud owner of an 82 model 924 turbo. Until 1 week ago i had never considered buying a porsche i always had an idea that they cost a heap.

A porsche 924 turbo 82 model came to my attention on ebay awhile ago, you guys may have seen it. Im in the process of finding a vehicle inspector that can come out to the place and check it out for me.

It started at 4500 but i can probably get it for 4k even. Th eother day i took it for a quick test drive and i love the feel of it, the problem was, the guy would only let me cruise round in his little cul-de-sac area so i never got out of 3rd gear... His reason for this was insurance, which i can understand, but thats why i definetely want an independent inspeciton done just in case. The body seems straight with only a minor ding in one of the front panels.

BAD points: exhaust has a large hole in the rear part but for me this is no problem as as soon as i get the car im going for a 3" turbo back system. (thinking about getting twin exhaust made). 1 headlight globe broken.

As im not familiar with porsche's at all what should i be looking out for on this model?

He has receipts for turbo rebuild 20k ago. Engine was reco 10k ago, same as gearbox. 106300 k's on the clock. I didnt like the fact that there was no Power steering, but i guess i can get used to that. (anyone ever had something custom made on one of these?)

My mechanic told me im looking at 1 grand each service which i can live with.

Thanks for your time if you read this and any advice appreciated!
Jesse.

i live in australia by the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi and welcome to 924board!!

Check out the FAQ up top, definitely get it checked out by a competant porsche mechanic or a mechanic who is familiar with these cars.

twin exhaust? like two pipes exiting from the car? sounds like unnecessary weight to me but each to their own!

power steerings not really necessary in these cars. once you get it into the twistys you'll see why! turbos have a quicker rack than the n/a's. after driving my n/a and then jumping into my turbo, the turbos steering was lighter even with bigger wheels and tyres!

be cautious buying it but if you get it, enjoy!!
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924 Turbo 82 MDL  



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

I know its a little bit unneccessary, but the idea appeals to me. Im interrested to see how it handles in the black spur (anyone who lives in melbourne will know what im on about). Whats the hill climbing ability of these cars?

Anyone who lives in or near melbourne australia know of vehicle inspectors who can actually come out to a residence? So far ive tried racv and vacc, both need the car taken to there workshops.

I wont buy it without an inspection but the guy doesnt want to risk driving it the 50km or so to the place. So i need an inspection place that has experience in porsche's and can come out to the place (im asking alot i know lol).

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hill climbing is a natural playground for these cars, see khals thread in general discussions about having a play. theres quite a few other aussies here with turbos too!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume it is this car you are talking about.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PORSCHE-924-TURBO-1982-MODEL_W0QQitemZ7193128458QQcategoryZ10779QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There must be somewhere closer than 50km's to get it checked out.
I don't think it will be very easy to get a porsche specialist to come out to look at it. But then if the guy is serious about selling it he will let you get it
inspected. I didn't think we got 924 turbos after 81 here in Australia, so maybe it is an 81 sold in 82, or could be an import, or I could have it wrong.
You have to remember when buying a car like this that is can turn into a money pit very easily. If you have to pay to get all the work done on the car something like a clutch and brakes and some engine work will cost you twice the purchase price of that car. BUt then this car claims to be almost fully reco'd.

As far are the black spur, what other cars have you driven through there, not much else will come close to driving a 931 through there. Perfect roads for it, just watch the boost, it is an early turbo and the boost comes on harshly compared to modern cars. A lot of people get caught out mid corner early on, easy to throw it into the bushes and in the black spur that could be fatal.

You won't need power steering, would almost say if you want power steering you are looking at the wrong car. The point of these cars is that they don't need it, power steering is to overcome a heavy badly designed car, you would lose all the feeling and grace of the 924.

If the engine and gearbox and turbo were reco have you seen reciepts, where were they done. They can't of been cheap. If it is true and was done at a good place it sounds like a bargain. Maybe worth putting in for a RWC before you buy to see what you are up against.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'day, welcome to the 'board!

There's several members here who live in Melbourne.

Actually, there's one, Carris, who is selling his Carrera GT very cheap. Worth a look, I reckon.
EDIT: Well, whaddaya know, there he is^^^

But yeah, we noticed the Turbo on ebay... click here.

The price is certainly right. 4k is quite good assuming the car is in reasonable condition (which it sounds like, from your description).

1982, eh? I've got an '81. I haven't come across an '82 Turbo here before. '82 was the last year of the Turbos so they're pretty much the best by default.
EDIT: Oh yeah, good point Carris, it might be an import. No big deal if it is, they're all the same in RHD as far as I know. But if it's Australian-delivered, it'll have a compliance plate.

It's good that the turbo's been rebuilt, one less thing to worry about. I've read here that they should last over 50,000km's if treated properly, so she's got some life in her yet by the sounds of it.

Engine reco? What does that mean? There's one major thing with these cars and that is that they are an interference engine. If the timing belt is not changed on schedule and it breaks, then you get holed pistons and bent valves. Expensive.
If the engine was "reconditioned" 10,000km's ago, then the belt should have been done too. Just make sure it was and you're good to go for a while yet. The bottom end of the engine is pretty much bulletproof... built like a tank! Make sure the oil is changed regularly, of course, as with any turbo engine.

The gearboxes are notorious for a crunchy second gear. Don't worry too much about it if you've got one... we all have! (in fact, if it doesn't crunch into second, you may well have the only one in Australia that doesn't ) Otherwise, they're pretty much bulletproof.

The clutch can be expensive to replace.

So are the fuel pumps.

Check it for repaired crash damage. These cars have a galvanised body and if they arent' repaired properly, they can rust.
Also, in the bottom of the front guards behind the front wheels there's a recess that can collect crap and rust through if not cleaned.
And the battery tray rusts through and you get water in passenger footwell. Check that out.

Hill climbing, eh? Better on the way down (fantastic brakes on these things ) but yeah, they'll climb a hill OK. They will heat up when worked really hard for long-ish period, like any turbo, I suppose. And they can blow oil seals and head gaskets. She's 20+ years old, y'know. It's not a modern race car.

Finally, get a reputable mechanic to check it out, for sure. Just for all the usual stuff. I don't know of any in Melbourne but I'm sure they're out there

And if you buy it, I doubt you'll regret it Great fun little cars. Excellent fuel economy. Very cheap run as far as a Porsche is concerned.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carris wrote:
You have to remember when buying a car like this that is can turn into a money pit very easily. If you have to pay to get all the work done on the car something like a clutch and brakes and some engine work will cost you twice the purchase price of that car.


Yeah, Carris has a point there. Because of the very low purchase prices of these cars at the moment, and the age of the car, people think they're gonna get this bargain Porsche but, like Carris says, the cars have often been neglected and the sometimes quite major repairs required can cost thousands of dollars.

Be careful, just like you would buying any second-hand 20-year-old car...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good points, about the receipts. Iv'e only seen the turbo rebuild one. Im getting a comprehensive pre-purchase inspection done this wednesday.

The part about the clutch and brakes being twice as much as the car to fix scares me a little. But then my uncle is a good mechanic so he can probably do it cheaper... Cheap for a porsche anyway :p.

As far as cars ive driven through the black spur, galant vr4 turbo with an off its tits engine, mazda 626 lol and numerous other crap cars. but i drive through there almost 3 times a week.

If the report is good i will hopefully have the car by this thursday. Yes he claims it's an 82 model, if it is a grey import (i think thats the term), will i have problems getting it registered? Just wondering.

BTW, i forgot to say this WILL be my daily driver. And this guy claims an engine output of 210bhp? I did a quick search and think its only ment to be around 170bhp? Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
All good points, about the receipts. Iv'e only seen the turbo rebuild one. Im getting a comprehensive pre-purchase inspection done this wednesday.


That's cool. Wait until you get the inspection report. That should expose any nasties the seller might be trying to hide -not that I'm suggesting the seller is hiding anything, I've seen the photos on ebay and the car seems pretty well looked after. I've seen many in obviously worse condition for about the same money or more. The price seems quite good at AU$4,000. I doubt you'll find one cheaper.

However, I did notice the panel under the drivers' side headlight seems to be out of shape..?

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
The part about the clutch and brakes being twice as much as the car to fix scares me a little.


No, it won't be twice the cost of the car. But major items such as the brakes and clutch can run up into the thousands, if they required complete replacement and/or the mechanic is charging exorbitant prices (which happens sometimes when you try a new mechanic... they see that badge and start rubbing their hands together. Welcome to the world of Porsche ).
But it's the same as any car. I think that's the point Carris was trying to make... the car only costs four grand but then you spend that again and it seems like a ton of money 'cause the car was so cheap. Realistically, it's probably no more expensive to repair than any other car (except maybe an old Falcon or Commodore ).

An example of things that can seem expensive though; To replace the two fuel pumps (one in-tank pre-pump and the external main pump) cost me nearly AU$700.

I haven't had to do it yet but a clutch job apparently costs around AU$1,500.

A turbo rebuild might run close to a grand?

Etc... etc...

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
But then my uncle is a good mechanic so he can probably do it cheaper... Cheap for a porsche anyway :p.


Well, that's the good part. Most basic mechanical work on these isn't too hard for an experienced mechanic. A lot of members here do it themselves with very little experience. So if you can source the parts relatively cheaply and you know someone who's handy with spanners, you're on a pretty good wicket

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
...he claims it's an 82 model, if it is a grey import (i think thats the term), will i have problems getting it registered? Just wondering.


Don't think you'll have any problems. It's already been registered by the looks of it. There's Vic plates on it.

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
BTW, i forgot to say this WILL be my daily driver.


Good luck with that...

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
And this guy claims an engine output of 210bhp? I did a quick search and think its only ment to be around 170bhp? Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks guys.


I think the standard output is quoted at 177hp for the Euro version (i.e. the ones we get here -the Yank versions have less power). But it's not too hard to up the power. The bloke who sold me mine reckons it was dyno'd at ~200hp and it doesn't appear to have many engine mods (maybe a lumpy cam, it's got a K&N cone air filter, 2.5" stainless steel exhaust but no intercooler or anything).

So it's possible it has 210hp. But without knowing what's be done to it, it's impossible to say for sure. Without any mods, it's going to be the standard output. Or even less given its age.

Not that that's bad... 130kW-odd in a car that weighs less than 1200kg's makes for some pretty spirited driving
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: hm Reply with quote

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Good luck with that...


Honestly are these cars that unreliable? It's not like it will stuff up on me every week is it?.. or is it?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: hm Reply with quote

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
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Good luck with that...


Honestly are these cars that unreliable? It's not like it will stuff up on me every week is it?.. or is it?


OK, I'm being a little sarcastic. The cars are quite reliable when they're in good nick. Just keep up the regular maintenance and you'll be fine. And be prepared to take it straight to a mechanic and cough up the dough to get it fixed when something breaks (and something will break, it's damn near a quarter century old).

The problems arise when, as stated before, they've been neglected for a period of time. These things don't like sitting out in the weather (or a humid garage, for that matter) for years on end without being run. The fuel system gums up, the electrics start to corrode, the oil drains from the engine and gearbox so it's not protecting them anymore, dirt and dust build up on 'em, etc, etc...

Then you do a couple of simple maintenance items like change the oil, tip some new fuel in and expect it to run like the day it was new? Nup, the rot has set in...

The best advice I've heard, if you want a daily driver instead of a project, is to completely disregard the mileage and buy one that's being used as a daily driver. Sure, she might need a few repairs. But at least you know the bugger runs OK

I would trust mine as a daily driver. But there'd be some bugs to iron out in the first few months, I suspect. I also wouldn't be surprised if the bastard cut out on me for no apparent reason and I had to tow it home (it's happened to me twice ).

It's all part of the charm...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:54 pm    Post subject: true Reply with quote

Well, this guy has a valid reason for selling. He's a V8 fan. This was his first 2L car and then he changed to V8's, yes its being in his garage for 3 years, yes 3. But he has run it at least once a week over that period, This i believe him in, he is not a young guy, more like 40 years +, and seems pretty mature.

I will see how the report goes tommorrow

I've being coughing up 700+ on services for my previous cars, so 1 grand+ i should be able to manage, also i always get stuff fixed straight away.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: true Reply with quote

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
...yes its being in his garage for 3 years, yes 3. But he has run it at least once a week over that period


That's not too bad (assuming it's true, of course).

I'd still say giv'er a service immediately. That includes changing the timing belt. They're only rated for a three year lifespan (and/or a certain number of kilometres), if I remember correctly.

Change the oil and oil filter.

Change the fuel filter.

Drain the coolant and change it. It should be changed every year, in general.

Put some new spark plugs in'er.

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
I've being coughing up 700+ on services for my previous cars, so 1 grand+ i should be able to manage...


Yeah, the servicing's not too bad. It's repairing the neglect that's the killer.

924 Turbo 82 MDL wrote:
...also i always get stuff fixed straight away.


Excellent. Don't let it go too far or you'll pay more in the end...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have to expect that it will cut out on you seemingly for no reason at least several times a year. They are complicated cars, turbo and electronic control, very early in the development of these technologies,a lot of things can go a miss. If it doesn't stop on you, then that is a nice bonus.

I used mine as a daily driver for a year, It stopped maybe 10-15 times, but I never had to get it towed, I just fixed it myself on the side of the road. Mainly minor electrical problem, DITC connection or the coil, I carry spares and tools. Now I would very surprised if it stopped, but only because I have a year of developing the bugs out of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also change the brake fluid.
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