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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

Finally it stopped raining today and I had a bit of time off from school and work and I got under my car and wanted to take out the starter but I got stuck pretty fast.

haynes is not helpful at all for removing the starter, crappy picks that you can barely see etc.

there is a heat shield surrounding the starter and obviously you have to remove this first before you can begin removing the starter. the heat shield seems to be held one by this "stripp of metal that has bolts on it and hold the heat shield. I'm not sure if the heat shield is also bolted furhter up where I can't see.

anyways I removed 3 of the nuts but the last one which is a bigger nut (13mm) is in a super tight spot where a ratchet will not fit at all (the exhast is in the way. a small 3 mm wrench will go on it when I squeeze my hand in there but then my one hands without much room don't have enough power to turn the swrew. I'm thinking of using liquid wrench but I doubt it would help. IF I can't take it off I'm thinking of cutting this part off so I can remove the heatshield. the other option seem to take off the exhaust and exhaust head shield etc which is in the way and thats too much work.

Can anyone help me with taking the heat shield off hte starter? then if I can get past that somehow which 2 bolts do I have to take off to remove the starter one big bolt I can see and I'm pretty sure this comes off but I cannot see another bolt. Pictures would be nice.

so far this has been a pain in the ass I was trying for close to 1 hour to remove the heat shield but I can't get that bolt off and I'm not sure if there are more bolts.

also I've ordered a starter from parts bin on september 26 but I have not gotten my starter yet and I also checked my credit card and they have not charged my credit card yet or it does not show on my credit car but its been over 10 days now since I ordered online. When I ordered it went through and gave me an order number which i printed out and said thanke for purchasing the starter cost is 172 US but it didn't say the shipping cost. Not sure what to do now,
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

I need help asap because I have only tom for a few hours to remove my starter than it starts raining for the whole week...
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

I just talked with partsbin through "live help" and they said my order did not go through because I did not write my full email with @yahoo.com.

they said shipping will be 125 us with my 172 us start so I told them to cancel it because I can't afford to 300 us for a starter! thats too crazy.

anyone know where I can get a starter for a reasonable price in Canada?

lordco auto parts store told me 375 for a bosche starter.
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924RACR · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

$125 for shipping? WTF? Hopefully some of our Canadian members can get back with a better solution.

As for the wire nuts you're dealing with, you may have better luck if you remove that last one AFTER unbolting the starter (the two big 19mm bolts). Then you can swing it down and get a better angle on it. Though it'll be tough, since you're holding the weight of the starter with one hand, unbolting the wire with the other!
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jl924t · Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 214 Location: Surrey, BC Canada

I bought a starter for my 931 from Allstart Batteries in Langley (604-530-3410). I paid $249.00 plus taxes for a total invoice of $285.11. That was December 2003.
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

ok thanks.

so can anyone tell me how you remove the starter? I am still trying to the the heat shields off. I'm taking offf the exhaust heat shields off also so there is more room to see the starter and reach in. I already had to cut off two screws holding the heat shield because there was no way a screw driver would get to it. I still have one more bolt to take off before I can try getting the heat shields off hopefully a ratchet can get to it... its in a very tough spot where my ratchet may not fit. The 924 seems to have alot of screws and bolts in very tough places to get to some of them look impossible to get too unless you remove a ton of other things.

so after I finally get to the starter , I know there are 2 bolts that hold it on.

one big bolt is on the bottom I can clearly see it and get to it. but the other one must be on the top and I cannot see it at all and it looks impossible to reach the top with all the exhaust pipes etc in the way and get a wrench up there where you can't even see the bolt.

there must be a way to do this that I can't see.
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

I wanted to remove my exhaust but I got stuck doing that also my ratchet even when extended can't get to teh bolts that attache to the exhaust manifold part tha5 comes down and is where the starter is.

Also do I need to remove my oil filter? I would like to leave it on because right before this I got my oil changed and put a new oil filter on.
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WhoDak · Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 492 Location: Akron, OH

This was one of those jobs where it was real handy to have those flex head ratchets, and differeny extension lengths, along with a good ratchet. It's tough, monkey's would have trouble with it. There was no heat shield on my starter, so I can't give you much help there. I'd try to leave the oil filter on if possible, it would give you more room, but it'd make a big mess and cost you 30 bucks to fill the car again.

But. On my car(having no windshield washer resivoir) I was able to actually slightly see, and reach the wires that connect onto the starter solenoid from the front of the car. If you stand in front of your car, and center yourself over the passenger side headlight bucket, reaching straight in under the exhaust manifold with my right hand I was able to reach those screws. I'm not sure how the heat shield covers the areas, but it might help being able to unwire it, then unmount the starter from the block. It's also a little easier when we went to put it back on. Goodluck.
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

from the top I can't see anything because the heat shields are basicly covering it all so thats why I'm trying to take it off but one of the screws is in a super tight spost and I'm not sure if my ratchet would fit in there.

might need a specialty ratchet taht is much thinner than mine. I have a flex joint but that does't really help in thight spots where the ratchet won't fit.

what I really want to know is which twobolts hold the starter so I don't open the wrong screws by accident. haynes shows a pic of the starter mounting screws (one of them) and its a very bad picture and doesn't look like its the right screw for my starter. Is tehre one bolt on top of the starter and one on bottom that go through the clutch bellhousing?

and if there is a bolt on top can you open it from under the car with the exhaust and all? lt seems impossible from top even if I remove the heat shileds except if you have super long arms and can open it without seeing where it is.
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augidog · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 1360 Location: New Jersey

I don't have a heat sheild on mine- wish I did-if anyone has one for sale let me know-
like whodak said-
if you take the oil filter off you have full access to the wires from the top -just lean over- before you pull one wire off ,put a piece of tape on one of the two smaller wires left or right and remember which it is because they do differn't things and they need to go back in the same place.
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

like I said I want to leave the oil filter on I don't think its is a must to remove it.

I wanted to know how to unbolt the starter and where the bolts are. I am pretty sure one bolt is on the bottom and there must be one on top of the starter where i cannot see it.

a pic of which bolts to open would be helpful if anyone has one. or a pic of a starter to show where the mounting bolts are.
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Mike924 · Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK

I'm pretty sure the starter has a simple elliptical flange, one bolt at the bottom and an identical arrangement on top.

Oh and as for liquid wrench - it will usually work, but you may need to give it time, sometimes overnight. Put plenty on and let it soak in. Tapping the nut/bolt/whatever with a wrench helps to get it to penetrate.
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timstar92404 · Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 2075 Location: richmond BC

yeah the bolt which would be on top of the starter is not even viewable from beneath the car so are you suppose to stick your hand up there and feel for it and then try and get a ratchet on it....

i doubt a ratchet would fit above the starter

I'll have to wait till thursday to find out, I my car is not under covers and it rains here almost everyday so I can't work on it.

so far I've just gooten to removing part of the exhaust heat shield not even the starter heat shield.

one of the screws on the heat shield was not assesible by a screw driver so I had to cut the screw off... the exhaust was in the way of the screw driver.
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Viking · Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 107 Location: Oslo, Norway

There are two bolts holding the starter itself to the housing. you should be able to find the lower one easily, but if I remember correctly, there are two bolts fairly close to eachother at the top.

Take a look at the turbo starter here:
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/replacement_sm/porsche~starter~replacement.html

You can see see two holes for the bolts there, they are exactly on opposite sides of eachother. Just use your hands to feel where the top bolt is. (There are two bolts close to eachother there, so try to choose the right one on your first attempt. It's possible to get tools up there, you just have to think about what you are doing, and if you can't do it from one angle, try from another.)

The starter is a common starter also used by Audi/VW. I don't know how popular they are in your area, but as soon as you have your starter out, take it with you and try to have someone who deals in VW/Audi parts find you the same. Just be sure to check the Bosch number in the new unit, and don't let go of your old one before you have a new and identical one.

Just be careful, the turbo starter is NOT the same as the NA. They spin in opposite directions!