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[Neil924]

[alxch1n15]

hmm..dpw928, you made a really good point. while we are worried about running out of oil, we still have a lot more to explore. however, i think that as we evolve...and i use evolve gently...our technologies, i think oil will be used less and less and recycling will allow for that. however, what would happen if we did run out of oil? not the total collapse of the world as we know it! riots in the street? i dont think so. vandalising and looting probably, but what is it going to matter? we wont have power so what good is a stolen television or a stolen computer going to be? we will deal when we get to that point, but its always a good idea that we prepare long before, which we are doing already. lets face it, oil is what controls this world right now, and its too bad that it is what controls this world. if things could be different, im sure they would be, but in order for things to better themselves, or for species to advance, and in this case, for us to develop better technology, we have to face a crisis. i mean, it took an ice age for society to develop! it took a supposed comet to kill of the dinosaurs so mamals could rule the earth!
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[dpw928]

Yep, As mentioned earlier, oil is just decayed organics that we let mother nature process for us. I'm sure we have the technology to accomplish the same thing but it boils down to cost. At the rate we are going, that cost may not be too high in the near future. Neil, I hope when they tell your grandkids that they are running out of oil in 15-20 years, they can say "so what?". Maybe we ought to invest in ethanol and those experimental oiless engines.

Dennis
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[Ozzie]

Back in the 70's, we had an oil crisis.
Fuel will run out in 10 years we were told.
We know where there is oil but can't reach it we were also told.

We haven't run out and technology allowed us to reach the deeper oil deposits.

History repeating itself??
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[Neil924]

[Khal]

Mate, get over yourself

What're you doin' about, Mr. Self-Proclaimed Salesman? Sellin' more shit?
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'80 924 Turbo

[Neil924]

A little fear mongering and a few facts can be a dangerous thing, eh?

Now some of what is in my post is true. In fact all of it is. But, it isn't the doom and gloom I made it out to be. Yes the ocean plays a part in the warming and cooling of the earth and yes it's possible for humans to muck it up but it hasn't shown a sign of slowing down yet. It has cooler periods as well as warmer periods and takes nearly 1000 years to complete a cycle, so no worries about a temp. range of .01 degrees.

And yes humans and other creatures show patterns, that's how we've evolved. So that can actually be a big positive in evolution but above, I stated it as a bad thing, in fact I stated that it could end life for all humans!

So long story short, don't believe everything you read or hear. If somthing interests you, go learn about it. And after that, if it worries you or makes you happy, go into it further.

This has been a test of "panic in the corridor" brought to you by the wonderful people at Green Peace, the United States Government, the Canadian Government and anyone else who does thing pretty much half assed.

Did you learn anything?

[Khal]

[Neil924]

[Raceboy]

This article says that previous oil crisises were only economical kind, this one is not. It's not just one mans chime to get everybody frightened, i've read it from other places too.
Perhaps it's not SO serious as he implies, but hey, definitely something not to overlook.
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[Viking]

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~jkostka/courses/CH14.ppt
Look at the 6th page. There is huge amounts of this gas, which we can potentially use for energy. I recently read about it in a magazine as well, and the US/Canada has enough deposits to cover their need for energy for a long time. The only catch is that there is no economical way of extracting it. As the price of energy increase, more money will be invested in research. And sooner or later it will become economical and then exploited.

But one day, we will run out of fossil fuel, and we will not be able to grow enough plants to make organic fuels, and hydro power cannot solve it for the whole world. Hopefully, when that time comes we will have solved the process of fusion energy, and then our problem is solved for as long as humans will exist.

Many bright minds are working on this, so I don't see a need for panic now or in the future. Let them worry about this, and let us worry about how to keep out 924's alive, and in the future convert them to whatever fuel is available to run them.

[kaffine]

As for is crude oil still being made. Yes but no where near the rate that we are consuming it. Also we are mining peat moss that would eventually wind up as crude oil for fertilizer. Of course our landfills might turn into oil after a few million years.

Making crude oil using modern technology. That is what Thermal depolymerization is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization
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[skemcin]

the world's governments need to get off their asses and stop letting the automobile and oil industry dictate legislation and get more involved in what is dubbed as the third industrial revolution - the hydrogen economy.

we as a world cannot afford NOT to move into a hydrogen economy. Hydrogen gas is the most abundant gas on earth and its by product is heat and water - DUH!

We need another mass cooperative mission, like "Lets Land a Man on the Moon" type of vision. Government, Commercial, and the Public need to get behind a cleaner more self-suffucient energy and make the switch!

As far as those statistics - they are massaged. We actually have enough untapped fuel to take us 200 years into the future. Of course, that will come with a cost - the cost to tap the resource and refine it. These statistics just show how we would run out if everything stayed the same.
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[MAD-924]

Wow Neil, you're soooo smart. Just another person tired of your long winded, soap box, look at me preaching.
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[Neil924]