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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: Whats your opinion? I need some information... |
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Guys... I dont even know where to begin with my car. The last year I have poured more money into my Porsche then the last 3 cars combined. I've only driven it for 5 months.
Just recently due to whatever reason, the timing belt slipped and now for the second time in 8 months I'm replacing valves. This time however I've been thinking... a few things up my sleeve and I would like your opinion.
1. Put it back together and finish doing what I was going to do to it. (install intercooler and other little things.)
If I do this, I plan on driving it to Indy this July(17-21) for a car convention. Which is a whole 'nother chapter.
Anyways, I was also thinking of doing something more radical... Taking it home from the shop and pulling the motor. I would then like to add a stroker kit, make it a 2.2L if possible. Then get some different pistons with a little lower compression and if possible, make it so they are grooved for valves(so if I break the timing belt AGAIN, there wont be any more damage, if this is even possible?)
Basically I want to know what I should do, I have a perfectly good running Chrysler New Yorker to putt around for however long it takes me to complete this more radical option. Would making it a 2.2 and custom pistons be worth the money, and what about would it cost? I know there are a bunch of very knowledgable guys on this forum. I don't know much about stroker kits, custom pistons and the cost of that sort of thing.
Any comments? Flames? Suggestions?? Please express them. I'm open to ideas as the mechanic can't get to my car for another 2 weeks...
Thanks
Jason  _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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Codyboy
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Edmonton Alberta
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I take it, its a 924. I thought that if the timing belt slips on the 924 the valves are safe? for me that was the case  _________________ Go hard or go home |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Its a 924 Turbo.. _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like you're looking for a non-standard, long-throw crank, shortened, possibly custom-made con-rods, custom pistons; that lot's going to make what you've already spent on your car look like peanuts!  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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leadfoot

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 2222 Location: gOLD cOAST Australia
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly I would find out why your belt slipped... No point in pouring more money if it's going to happen again...
Was it tensioned properly and all the head measuments within spec??
As for stroker, well it would be nice but with the intercooler and extra boost you'd be running a gearbox change is probably in order too.
If I were in your position I'd look at remodeling the front of the car to fit a nice three inch thick intercooler with a modified intake plenum like on the gtr.
Leadfoot _________________ 1981 ROW 924 Turbo -
carbon fiber GT mish mash
LS1 conversion in progress... |
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PORSCHEV

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1901 Location: Cedar Lake Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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For a fraction of the cost you could drop in a V8 and have reliable power. _________________ 1976 924
5 lug conversion, 17'C2 wheels,custom body work,327 vette engine.
1978-#53 "D" track racer. |
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jpab924
Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1538 Location: Crown pt. IN. 50 miles southeast of Chicago Ill.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Who did the head work and timing belt install? |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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It was a local non-porsche specific shop. That was last fall. I'm not sure why the belt slipped. I plan on having everything inspected upon the removal. But my idea was if it needed more than valves and general things, I would park it for a while until I could afford the stroking.
Anyone know an actual dollar cost of what parts would be practical, etc? I'm not looking for comparisons.. I want $$ amounts. I could have a v8 put in there, but that wouldn't be as unique as a 2.2L stroked/cammed/intercooled 931.
Also I am not worried about the gearbox upgrade. I'm just looking for the dollar amount on stroking this engine. _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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jpab924
Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1538 Location: Crown pt. IN. 50 miles southeast of Chicago Ill.
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok...so the car was put in storage after the work was done, and now you have suffered another t-belt failure? How many miles have elapsed since the work was done? If the t-belt wasn`t tensioned properly, this could be (and probably is) the reason for the failure. A new properly tensioned belt will NOT slip teeth. No matter how hard you drive it. Somone owes you an explanation. |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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I probably have less than 1000 miles on the timing belt. Is there anyway to tell if it was improperly tensioned?
Even if so, the mechanic thats working on my car now, already took the belt off. So I dont know if I would probably be out of luck. _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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jpab924
Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1538 Location: Crown pt. IN. 50 miles southeast of Chicago Ill.
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Most shops carry a 6mo- 1 year guaranty on their labor.
IMO, there is no way that your t-belt should have slipped if it was done correctly. Is the shop you have it at now, the same shop that did the work for you? Don`t roll over and lay on your back, and let yourself be taken. A reputable shop, will stand behind their work. There is no way, that you should be responsible for the cost to repair (once again) your car.
Have your reciepts ready, and stand your ground! |
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maireeka

Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 299 Location: North Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'd definitely v8 it. Cheaper and more reliable, it's what I'd do to my toofah if I had the money. _________________ 1977 Porsche 924 red and READY! |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| jpab924 wrote: | Most shops carry a 6mo- 1 year guaranty on their labor.
IMO, there is no way that your t-belt should have slipped if it was done correctly. Is the shop you have it at now, the same shop that did the work for you? Don`t roll over and lay on your back, and let yourself be taken. A reputable shop, will stand behind their work. There is no way, that you should be responsible for the cost to repair (once again) your car.
Have your reciepts ready, and stand your ground! |
Well I will have to talk to them.. The shop I have it at now, is not the same one. The shop I took it to before to replace the head, also "dropped something down the intake side of the turbo" Which they reimbursed me for a new turbo and the work.
| maireeka wrote: | | I'd definitely v8 it. Cheaper and more reliable, it's what I'd do to my toofah if I had the money. |
Its not getting a v8. _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Listen do what Jpab says cuase the belts dont slip. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| flosho wrote: | | [The shop I took it to before to replace the head, also "dropped something down the intake side of the turbo". |
Never go back there again!  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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