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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see my drain plug and the condition of the oil more than every 15000 miles. Plus I am a bit skeptical of the 15000 mile claims. I guess old habbits are hard to break.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My BMW dealer refused to change my oil more frequently. Insisted that the computer in the car would tell me when to get it done. I have 102000 miles on the car (2001 model year), and I've only done 6 oil changes (due for one in another 8000 miles...I've averaged 17000 between changes based on when the computer says it needs it). The car drives like the day I bought it. That sold me 100% on Castrol.

Some people like to change their oil. No prob. But I am a believer in the 15000 mile claim. Like I said, if it makes you nervous, the real part to worry about is the filter, not the oil itself. Of course, conditions may vary as well...if you live on or drive frequently on dirt roads, the interval should be sooner no matter what oil you use.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'll try the mobil-1 synthetic just hope it doesn't leak.

changine oil every 15k sounds nice.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

synthetic will cause your engine to leak tim DONT USE IT
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i'm getting confused.

so synthetic will leak for sure.

my engine is definately high milliage have no clue what the actual miles are.


I guess I'll just use castrol 20 w 50
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Lizard, don't chance it.

Besides, Mobil 1 is expensive and you don't need it!

And just get regular spark plugs. They'll be fine. Unobtainium plugs (and synthetic oil) probably didn't even exist when the car was made and they worked just fine without 'em
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And changing oil in every 15K miles will not have a good effect on your Porsche. 924 needs to have an oil change in every 10 000km.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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probably didn't even exist when the car was made and they worked just fine without 'em


So by that line of logic, we should all still be running bias tires instead of radials?!?!?

Improvements are made all the time ... just because a technology wasn't available when the car was made doesn't mean it won't be an improvement to use it now.

As for whether it will cause leaks, no one knows for sure ... every motor is different. It is possible, and I have heard stories about this, for synthetic oil to cause blow by and burn oil. All I can say is after doing my own research on this, I took a chance on the 81 and had NO issue at all.

As for the oil change interval, that will be an ongoing debate that will never be settled. I won't be putting 15K miles on my car in a year, so changing it every 6 months as I described above will be well within the tolerances of synthetic oil. As I posted earlier, the factory manual says every 7500 miles, and that was with dyno oil...so I would think that synthetic could be pushed further if necessary. At 7500 miles using synthetic, you're still going to come out ahead vs. every 3000 miles using dyno.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok from my experiences with oil, I run synthetic in my car, and I had no issues for about 6 months, and then after the second oil change I had the seals start to leak, so I wouldnt bother risking it et al,
and yes Dan they do make improvements all the time, however some things are unneeded, I would recommend that you use synthetic oil in these engines, IF and only if you are willing to be ready to in 6 months to a year pull the engine and replace the rear main, oil pump seal, cam seal, oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, and distributor housing gasket, all of which I KNOW tim would NOT be able to do, and then he has a car that leaks ALOT of oil his parents will be upset with the leaks, he will be having to add a litre less than every 1000 miles, and at $7.49 a litre up here that adds up quick,
and the last thing I heard from Porsche is that there oil change itrevals are 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first, that is running on Mobil 1
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The operative acronym here is YMMV. I've been running synthetic for almost a year in the 81 and no issues yet. Who knows. But Lizard makes some really good points, especially specific to Tim's situation.

I wanted to plug in my $.02, though, because somebody else might come across this thread, and shouldn't assume that because dino is best for Tim, that these cars should only run dino oil, etc.

Tim, just be done with it and run dino oil. Get yourself a couple of jack stands so you can change your own oil safely, or better yet, save the cash and do what Mark said, have your local jiffy lube or whatever do it for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do the oil changes in all the family cars (we've got 3 12yr old cars in the family). I don't know if its just me or what, but I always change the oil filter along with each oil change (every 3,000 miles). I always use 5W30 (especially in the summer here in NC, gets pretty hot...) Castrol Full Synthetic and buy Pure One oil filters. I have used other oil filters in the past, but with my experience I can say you will notice that Pure One is one of the best (oil isn't as dirty upon oilchange) brand in oil filters ( though also one of the most expensive). I don't know what Porsche recommends as far as oil grade, but I do know that Castrol Synthetic is really good stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah... I prefer not to goto jiffy lube or any other place to get oil changed. Its not that hard of a job to do yourself, you can do it for cheaper, and do it using better quality oil. I have a friend that works at Midas and another at Jiffy Lube. Guy at Midas says they just use the cheap autozone brand oil. My friend at Jiffy Lube says they used to get huge drums of recycled oil, but now they just get a generic recycle brand oil. You can take your own oil to a jiffy lube and they'd be more than happy to use that instead of their oil at no extra charge. Generally, I'd say that recycled oil is only good for 2,000 miles, definately no more than 2,500. Its just poor quality. Common, spoil your porsche a little Get the good stuff
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghostcloak wrote:
Oh yeah... I prefer not to goto jiffy lube or any other place to get oil changed. Its not that hard of a job to do yourself, you can do it for cheaper, and do it using better quality oil. I have a friend that works at Midas and another at Jiffy Lube. Guy at Midas says they just use the cheap autozone brand oil. My friend at Jiffy Lube says they used to get huge drums of recycled oil, but now they just get a generic recycle brand oil. You can take your own oil to a jiffy lube and they'd be more than happy to use that instead of their oil at no extra charge. Generally, I'd say that recycled oil is only good for 2,000 miles, definately no more than 2,500. Its just poor quality. Common, spoil your porsche a little Get the good stuff


Now that's the kind of information I like to see.

Not pertaining to the Porsche necessarily because she will run Mobile 1 from day 1. I'm even using it to coat the internals whle assembling the engine (along with moly lube on some critical start up areas).

Anyway, the inside perspective on the franchise OC joints is more interesting than that.. I do take my truck there and the wife's car but I always ask for Castrol high mileage in those so I don't think it is recycled in that case.

Good stuff to know just the same.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
So by that line of logic, we should all still be running bias tires instead of radials?!?!?


I knew someone would throw that back at me.

But no, ideola, like you mention later about Lizard, I was commenting specifically on timstar92404's problem. He doesn't need Mobil 1 and according to Lizard there's a good chance it'll cause him more problems.

I run Mobil 1 in my car. Always have. But it's been used since a previous engine rebuild.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an interesting graph in the 924 owners manual which shows a variety of reccommended engine oils and the temperature range over which they each work. You simply select the weight of oil that best covers the normal temperature range in your area.

For the sunny Isle of Wight, where it only occasionally freezes in winter, I came to the conclusion that a 15-50 was best.

I can't post pictures, but I can e-mail an extract to anyone who's interested.

As to my opinion (everybody has one, remember...) on synthetic oil: it's good, but just not good enough, compared with 'standard' oil, to warrant the high price.
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